Thanks for the "GREAT" discussion guys. I've got a ton of
information to go on and now I feel confident that I can move forward
(safely).Talk about motivational factors!
Dave
On Aug 15, 2009, at 12:00 AM, krnet-requ...@mylist.net wrote:
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> 3. Re: Re: KRnet Digest, Vol 351, Issue 234 (Dj Merrill)
> 4. RE: Goof off (Joe Beyer)
> 5. Re: registering and certifiying a homebuilt you did not
> build (Ed Janssen)
> 6. Re: Re: registering and certifiying a homebuilt you did not
> build (Dj Merrill)
> 7. Re: Re: registering and certifiying a homebuilt you did not
> build (Ed Janssen)
> 8. Re: Re: registering and certifiying a homebuilt you did not
> build (Dj Merrill)
> 9. Re: Re: registering and certifiying a homebuilt you did not
> build (Mark Langford)
> 10. England photos (Glenn Martin)
> 11. Re: England photos (J L)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2009 07:30:42 -0400
> From: paley anderson <anderp...@earthlink.net>
> Subject: KR> Re: KRnet Digest, Vol 351, Issue 234
> To: kr...@mylist.net
> Message-ID: <df3955b6-bf4f-4359-ab4c-8964c8cf9...@earthlink.net>
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> I bought a KR-2 that never was issued an airworthyness
> certificate, There is little documentation and about a dozen photos
> on the construction of the aircraft, It's a sweet plane and you can
> tell a lot of time and thought went into her construction. That
> being said , what are the chances of it aquiring it's certification
> by me ( a non- building owner ) ? Will I be wasting time and money ?
> Dave Anderson
>
>
>
> On Aug 14, 2009, at 12:00 AM, krnet-requ...@mylist.net wrote:
>
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>> 1. Goof off and Goo Gone (James R. Freiberger)
>> 2. FINALLY! (Glenn Martin)
>> 3. Re: FINALLY! (Glenn Martin)
>> 4. FINALLY!!! (Glenn Martin)
>> 5. Goof Off (pshows)
>> 6. RE: FINALLY! (LG McCaw)
>> 7. Re: FINALLY!!! (phillabaum...@aol.com)
>> 8. Re: FINALLY!!! (Glenn Martin)
>> 9. FINALLY! (Myron (Dan) Freeman)
>> 10. Re: FINALLY!!! (Mark Jones)
>> 11. Re: FINALLY!!! (Glenn Martin)
>>
>>
>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
>> -
>>
>> Message: 1
>> Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2009 12:57:58 -0400
>> From: "James R. Freiberger" <phryda...@comcast.net>
>> Subject: KR> Goof off and Goo Gone
>> To: <kr...@mylist.net>
>> Message-ID: <000701ca1c37$36351d30$640fa8c0@hal>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
>> reply-type=original
>>
>> Hello there I have used both Goof Off and Goo Gone in other
>> applications.
>> Goof Off is very harsh and in my experiance really likes to melt
>> anything
>> plastic. Goo Gone is a Citrus based product and is not near as
>> nasty but
>> seems to work just as well when it comes to removing any sticky
>> residue. I
>> would definately follow these fellows advise on testing it on
>> something else
>> first, and would would think Goo Gone is the Product that you would
>> want to
>> use.
>> Cheers
>> James R. Freiberger Sr.
>>
>> ----------------------------------------------------------
>> Guys:
>> There was a discussion about goof off to remove old protective
>> covering
>> from a canopy, where can it be obtained? I have tried Wal-Mart,
>> lowes and
>> other building suppliers to no avail.
>> Thanks
>> IHS
>> PatS
>> Seminary, MS
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 2
>> Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2009 13:10:48 -0500
>> From: Glenn Martin <rep...@martekmississippi.com>
>> Subject: KR> FINALLY!
>> To: KRnet <kr...@mylist.net>
>> Message-ID: <4a845728.4020...@martekmississippi.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>>
>> Well guys and gals, it finally happened. Today at Stennis
>> International (KHSA) at approx 10:30 local time, I finally got to
>> fall
>> out of the sky ALL BY MY LITTLE LONESOME!!!! No one died, no one ran
>> screeming for their life, the NTSB is still blissfully unaware of my
>> existence, and the airplane is still in one whole piece!!!Not to cast
>> aspersions on my CFI, but with just me in that 172 it seemed like
>> someone just put a WHOLE LOT MORE PONIES under the cowling!! Of
>> course,
>> he probably says the same thing about my effect on N7970G when I
>> get out
>> too! Yep KELLY, you were absolutely right about the increased
>> performance and thanks for the heads up. Of course I didn't exactly
>> put
>> it to MY CFI as you did to yours. ONE of us has to have some sense of
>> SUBTLETY and MANNERS!!!! The landing was one bounce (actually a skip)
>> and a good recovery. I expected that actually, with the reduction in
>> weight. I probably could have come in with 20 degrees of flaps and
>> made
>> a nice landing. I think two more landings solo and it will be just
>> fine,
>> I should be used to it. I now see that the how KR is gonna be a
>> sporty
>> little animal , if it is THAT lightweight and a 65 horse engine.
>> Anyhow.
>> I would say y'all can take off your hard hats now, its safe to
>> come out
>> of the air raid shelters. I DO believe I can fly SOMEWHAT safely!!!
>>
>>
>> --
>> Glenn Martin
>> Owner KR2 N1333A
>> Martek Mississippi
>> 13238 Hudson-Krohn Rd
>> Biloxi, MS, 39532
>> rep...@martekmississippi.com
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 3
>> Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2009 13:12:23 -0500
>> From: Glenn Martin <rep...@martekmississippi.com>
>> Subject: KR> Re: FINALLY!
>> To: KRnet <kr...@mylist.net>
>> Message-ID: <4a845787.9070...@martekmississippi.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>>
>> Glenn Martin wrote:
>>> Well guys and gals, it finally happened. Today at Stennis
>>> International (KHSA) at approx 10:30 local time, I finally got to
>>> fall
>>> out of the sky ALL BY MY LITTLE LONESOME!!!! No one died, no one ran
>>> screeming for their life, the NTSB is still blissfully unaware
>>> of my
>>> existence, and the airplane is still in one whole piece!!!Not to
>>> cast
>>> aspersions on my CFI, but with just me in that 172 it seemed like
>>> someone just put a WHOLE LOT MORE PONIES under the cowling!! Of
>>> course, he probably says the same thing about my effect on N7970G
>>> when
>>> I get out too! Yep KELLY, you were absolutely right about the
>>> increased performance and thanks for the heads up. Of course I
>>> didn't
>>> exactly put it to MY CFI as you did to yours. ONE of us has to have
>>> some sense of SUBTLETY and MANNERS!!!! The landing was one bounce
>>> (actually a skip) and a good recovery. I expected that actually,
>>> with
>>> the reduction in weight. I probably could have come in with 20
>>> degrees
>>> of flaps and made a nice landing. I think two more landings solo
>>> and
>>> it will be just fine, I should be used to it. I now see that the how
>>> KR is gonna be a sporty little animal , if it is THAT lightweight
>>> and
>>> a 65 horse engine. Anyhow. I would say y'all can take off your hard
>>> hats now, its safe to come out of the air raid shelters. I DO
>>> believe
>>> I can fly SOMEWHAT safely!!!
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Glenn Martin
>> Owner
>> Martek Mississippi
>> 13238 Hudson-Krohn Rd
>> Biloxi, MS, 39532
>> rep...@martekmississippi.com
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 4
>> Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2009 13:21:23 -0500
>> From: Glenn Martin <rep...@martekmississippi.com>
>> Subject: KR> FINALLY!!!
>> To: KRnet <kr...@mylist.net>
>> Message-ID: <4a8459a3.9000...@martekmississippi.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>>
>> Well guys and gals, it finally happened. Today at Stennis
>> International
>> (KHSA) at approx 10:30 local time, I finally got to fall out of the
>> sky
>> ALL BY MY LITTLE LONESOME!!!! No one died, no one ran screeming for
>> their life, the NTSB is still blissfully unaware of my existence,
>> and
>> the airplane is still in one whole piece!!!Not to cast aspersions
>> on my
>> CFI, but with just me in that 172 it seemed like someone just put a
>> WHOLE LOT MORE PONIES under the cowling!! Of course, he probably says
>> the same thing about my effect on N7970G when I get out too! Yep
>> KELLY,
>> you were absolutely right about the increased performance and
>> thanks for
>> the heads up. Of course I didn't exactly put it to MY CFI as you
>> did to
>> yours. ONE of us has to have some sense of SUBTLETY and MANNERS!!!!
>> The
>> landing was one bounce (actually a skip) and a good recovery. I
>> expected
>> that actually, with the reduction in weight. I probably could have
>> come
>> in with 20 degrees of flaps and made a nice landing. I think two
>> more
>> landings solo and it will be just fine, I should be used to it. I now
>> see that the how KR is gonna be a sporty little animal , if it is
>> THAT
>> lightweight and a 65 horse engine. Anyhow. I would say y'all can
>> take
>> off your hard hats now, its safe to come out of the air raid
>> shelters. I
>> DO believe I can fly SOMEWHAT safely!!!
>>
>>
>> --
>> Glenn Martin
>> Owner KR2 N1333A
>> Martek Mississippi
>> 13238 Hudson-Krohn Rd
>> Biloxi, MS, 39532
>> rep...@martekmississippi.com
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 5
>> Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2009 14:03:44 -0500
>> From: "pshows" <psh...@bayspringstel.net>
>> Subject: KR> Goof Off
>> To: "KRnet" <kr...@mylist.net>
>> Message-ID: <D332563F0E5D4FD3B5FBE93D9703A8A2@MYPC>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
>> reply-type=original
>>
>> Thanks to all who replied, You guys are the best.
>> IHS
>> PatS
>> Seminary, MS
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 6
>> Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2009 14:56:34 -0500
>> From: "LG McCaw" <l...@mccaw.net>
>> Subject: RE: KR> FINALLY!
>> To: "KRnet" <kr...@mylist.net>
>> Message-ID: <862336fd6157ed4bb91854b435de575601d...@boomer.mccaw.net>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>>
>> Congrats!
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: krnet-boun...@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-boun...@mylist.net] On
>> Behalf Of Glenn Martin
>> Sent: Thursday, August 13, 2009 1:11 PM
>> To: KRnet
>> Subject: KR> FINALLY!
>>
>> Anyhow.
>> I would say y'all can take off your hard hats now, its safe to
>> come out
>>
>> of the air raid shelters. I DO believe I can fly SOMEWHAT safely!!!
>>
>>
>> --
>> Glenn Martin
>> Owner KR2 N1333A
>> Martek Mississippi
>> 13238 Hudson-Krohn Rd
>> Biloxi, MS, 39532
>> rep...@martekmississippi.com
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 7
>> Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2009 16:28:31 -0400
>> From: phillabaum...@aol.com
>> Subject: Re: KR> FINALLY!!!
>> To: kr...@mylist.net
>> Message-ID: <8cbea6bc205da6f-11d8-2...@webmail-md20.sysops.aol.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>>
>>
>> Congratulations, its a great feeling.?
>>
>> You should have tried for three landings and a sign off.? If I have
>> one or two out of three good landings I am happy.
>>
>> Now get your plane done.
>>
>> Steve Phillabaum
>>
>> Shorter Alabama
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Glenn Martin <rep...@martekmississippi.com>
>> To: KRnet <kr...@mylist.net>
>> Sent: Thu, Aug 13, 2009 1:21 pm
>> Subject: KR> FINALLY!!!
>>
>> The landing was one bounce (actually a skip) and a good recovery. I
>> expected
>> that actually, with the reduction in weight. I probably could have
>> come
>> in with 20 degrees of? flaps and made a nice landing. I think two
>> more
>> landings solo and it will be just fine, I should be used to it.
>>
>> --
>> Glenn Martin
>> Owner KR2 N1333A
>> Martek Mississippi
>> 13238 Hudson-Krohn Rd
>> Biloxi, MS, 39532
>> rep...@martekmississippi.com
>>
>> _______________________________________
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>> index.jsp
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>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 8
>> Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2009 16:13:41 -0500
>> From: Glenn Martin <rep...@martekmississippi.com>
>> Subject: Re: KR> FINALLY!!!
>> To: KRnet <kr...@mylist.net>
>> Message-ID: <4a848205.2060...@martekmississippi.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>>
>> phillabaum...@aol.com wrote:
>>> Congratulations, its a great feeling.?
>>>
>>> You should have tried for three landings and a sign off.? If I
>>> have one or two out of three good landings I am happy.
>>>
>>> Now get your plane done.
>>>
>>> Steve Phillabaum
>>>
>>> Shorter Alabama
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Glenn Martin <rep...@martekmississippi.com>
>>> To: KRnet <kr...@mylist.net>
>>> Sent: Thu, Aug 13, 2009 1:21 pm
>>> Subject: KR> FINALLY!!!
>>>
>>> The landing was one bounce (actually a skip) and a good recovery.
>>> I expected
>>> that actually, with the reduction in weight. I probably could have
>>> come
>>> in with 20 degrees of? flaps and made a nice landing. I think two
>>> more
>>> landings solo and it will be just fine, I should be used to it.
>>>
>>>
>> It was the last landing of the day, and the CFI had another student
>> waiting back in Gulfport, but we can now finish off in GPT Monday.
>>
>> --
>> Glenn Martin
>> Owner
>> Martek Mississippi
>> 13238 Hudson-Krohn Rd
>> Biloxi, MS, 39532
>> rep...@martekmississippi.com
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 9
>> Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2009 17:22:01 -0400 (Eastern Daylight Time)
>> From: "Myron (Dan) Freeman" <mfreem...@indy.rr.com>
>> Subject: KR> FINALLY!
>> To: "KRnet" <kr...@mylist.net>
>> Message-ID: <4A8483F9.00000B.04044@TACITUS>
>> Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="utf-8"
>>
>> Congratulations Glenn.
>>
>>
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Myron (Dan) Freeman
>>
>> Indpls, Ind. 46203-3570
>>
>> Home of the Indy 500,
>>
>> the World's most famous
>>
>> auto race.
>>
>> mfreem...@indy.rr.com
>>
>>
>>
>> Check out and join the
>>
>> the Independence Caucus to
>>
>> help save America from treason
>>
>> http://www.ourcaucus.com/index.html 
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 10
>> Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2009 20:22:14 -0500
>> From: "Mark Jones" <flyk...@charter.net>
>> Subject: Re: KR> FINALLY!!!
>> To: "KRnet" <kr...@mylist.net>
>> Message-ID: <C8189CDB44054EAA87461DD20A4DAA5B@flykr2sPC>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
>> reply-type=original
>>
>> Excellent!!!!! Glad to hear you have joined the ranks......
>>
>>
>> Mark Jones (N886MJ)
>> Stevens Point, WI
>> E-mail: flyk...@charter.net
>> Web: www.flykr2s.com
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 11
>> Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2009 21:15:42 -0500
>> From: Glenn Martin <rep...@martekmississippi.com>
>> Subject: Re: KR> FINALLY!!!
>> To: KRnet <kr...@mylist.net>
>> Message-ID: <4a84c8ce.4030...@martekmississippi.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>>
>> Mark Jones wrote:
>>> Excellent!!!!! Glad to hear you have joined the ranks......
>>>
>>>
>>> Mark Jones (N886MJ)
>>> Stevens Point, WI
>>> E-mail: flyk...@charter.net
>>> Web: www.flykr2s.com
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________
>>> Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/
>>> index.jsp
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>>> please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html
>>>
>>>
>> Thanks Mark!. BTW..the Narco manual arrived today. It weighs
>> almost as
>> much as the radio itself!! LOL. I'll likely finish troubleshooting it
>> over the weekend.
>>
>>
>> --
>> Glenn Martin
>> Owner
>> Kr2 N1333A
>> Martek Mississippi
>> 13238 Hudson-Krohn Rd
>> Biloxi, MS, 39532
>> rep...@martekmississippi.com
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> See KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html
>>
>> End of KRnet Digest, Vol 351, Issue 234
>> ***************************************
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2009 08:28:26 -0500
> From: Larry&Sallie Flesner <fles...@verizon.net>
> Subject: Re: KR> Re: KRnet Digest, Vol 351, Issue 234
> To: KRnet <kr...@mylist.net>
> Message-ID: <0kod0084nbxma...@vms173015.mailsrvcs.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed
>
> At 06:30 AM 8/14/2009, you wrote:
>> I bought a KR-2 that never was issued an airworthyness
>> certificate, There is little documentation and about a dozen photos
>> on the construction of the aircraft, It's a sweet plane and you can
>> tell a lot of time and thought went into her construction. That
>> being said , what are the chances of it aquiring it's certification
>> by me ( a non- building owner ) ? Will I be wasting time and money ?
>> Dave Anderson
> +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>
> You should have no problem getting it certified, if it passes
> inspection, but you would not be able to obtain the "mechanics
> license" for that airplane unless you completed the majority of the
> construction. You can still perform all required maintenance but
> will need someone with at least an A&P license to perform / sign off
> the annual. I would not recommend your trying to convince the Fed's
> that you built the airplane just to obtain the "mechanics
> license". If they find out differently they won't treat you kindly.
>
> Larry Flesner
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 3
> Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2009 11:22:28 -0400
> From: Dj Merrill <d...@deej.net>
> Subject: Re: KR> Re: KRnet Digest, Vol 351, Issue 234
> To: KRnet <kr...@mylist.net>
> Message-ID: <4a858134.6010...@deej.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
>
> On 08/14/2009 07:30 AM, paley anderson wrote:
>> That
>> being said , what are the chances of it aquiring it's certification
>> by me ( a non- building owner ) ? Will I be wasting time and money ?
>> Dave Anderson
>>
>
> Hi Dave,
> You should have no problem getting the airworthiness certificate.
> There is a good chance you can also get the Repairman's Certificate.
> There is a bunch of info about this on the EAA website
> <http://members.eaa.org/home/homebuilders/faq/How%20to%20get%20Your%
> 20Repairman%20Certificate.html>
> but the gist of it is:
>
> *I am thinking about buying a 95% complete project from another
> builder,
> will I be able to get a Repairman Certificate?*
> The only person who is eligible for the repairman certificate for an
> amateur-built aircraft is the "primary builder". However, there is no
> official FAA definition of "primary builder" so it will be up to
> the FAA
> inspector who accepts your application to determine if you meet the
> requirement or not. This is done through an interview process that
> includes a review of the aircraft construction records. If you are
> able
> to convince the FAA inspector that you are indeed the "primary
> builder"
> and that you have the requisite skill necessary for determining
> whether
> the aircraft is in condition for safe operation, you may be deemed to
> meet the eligibility requirements and will be issued the repairman
> certificate. But if the project is substantially completed when you
> purchase it, you might find it difficult to convince the FAA that you
> are indeed the "primary builder".
>
> fyi
>
> -Dj
>
> --
> Dj Merrill - N1JOV
> Glastar Sportsman 2+2 Builder #7118 N421DJ
> http://deej.net/sportsman/
>
> "Many things that are unexplainable happen during the construction
> of an
> airplane." --Dave Prizio, 30 Aug 2005
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 4
> Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2009 10:41:19 -0700
> From: "Joe Beyer" <joe2387...@gmail.com>
> Subject: KR> RE: Goof off
> To: <kr...@mylist.net>
> Message-ID: <0679FE6DDD454606BD33B07015BFEFD7@JoeBeyer>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
>
> Try kerosene with a cotton cloth, and use some good gloves. It has
> worked
> for me removing gum from duct tape and plastic residue.
>
> Joe
> Scappoose Ore.
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 5
> Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2009 11:42:30 -0500
> From: ejans...@chipsnet.com (Ed Janssen)
> Subject: KR> Re: registering and certifiying a homebuilt you did not
> build
> To: "KRnet" <kr...@mylist.net>
> Message-ID: <425914C3FC5D4E00A56150113D88C695@DAD>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>
> Dave,
>
> Currently the regulations say that if the purpose is to operate an
> amateur-built aircraft, then the experimental certificate is issued
> to the original builder, the person(s) who did the major portion of
> the work (interpreted to be 51%). See FAR 21.191(g):
>
> Experimental certificates are issued for the following purposes:
> (a) Research and development. Testing new aircraft design concepts,
> new aircraft equipment, new aircraft installations, new aircraft
> operating techniques, or new uses for aircraft.
> (b) Showing compliance with regulations. Conducting flight tests
> and other operations to show compliance with the airworthiness
> regulations including flights to show compliance for issuance of
> type and supplemental type certificates, flights to substantiate
> major design changes, and flights to show compliance with the
> function and reliability requirements of the regulations.
> (c) Crew training. Training of the applicant's flight crews.
> (d) Exhibition. Exhibiting the aircraft's flight capabilities,
> performance, or unusual characteristics at air shows, motion
> picture, television, and similar productions, and the maintenance
> of exhibition flight proficiency, including (for persons exhibiting
> aircraft) flying to and from such air shows and productions.
> (e) Air racing. Participating in air races, including (for such
> participants) practicing for such air races and flying to and from
> racing events.
> (f) Market surveys. Use of aircraft for purposes of conducting
> market surveys, sales demonstrations, and customer crew training
> only as provided in Sec. 21.195.
> (g) Operating amateur-built aircraft. Operating an aircraft the
> major portion of which has been fabricated and assembled by persons
> who undertook the construction project solely for their own
> education or recreation.
>
> Ed Janssen
>
>
>
>
>
> On 08/14/2009 07:30 AM, paley anderson wrote:
>> That
>> being said , what are the chances of it aquiring it's certification
>> by me ( a non- building owner ) ? Will I be wasting time and money ?
>> Dave Anderson
>>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 6
> Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2009 13:55:34 -0400
> From: Dj Merrill <d...@deej.net>
> Subject: Re: KR> Re: registering and certifiying a homebuilt you did
> not build
> To: KRnet <kr...@mylist.net>
> Message-ID: <4a85a516.90...@deej.net>
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> On 08/14/2009 12:42 PM, Ed Janssen wrote:
>> Dave,
>>
>> Currently the regulations say that if the purpose is to operate an
>> amateur-built aircraft, then the experimental certificate is
>> issued to the original builder, the person(s) who did the major
>> portion of the work (interpreted to be 51%). See FAR 21.191(g):
>>
>
> Hi Ed,
> I would amend your statement to read "certificate is issued to
> (one
> of) the original builder(s)". If Dave completes the aircraft, he
> becomes one of the original builders and is allowed to apply for the
> airworthiness certificate, and also for the Repairman certificate. To
> be granted the Repairman certificate, he has to pass an "interview"
> with
> the FAA inspector basically showing that he can maintain the
> airplane in
> a safe manner. The EAA has information concerning this on their
> website.
>
> fyi
>
> -Dj
>
> --
> Dj Merrill - N1JOV
> Glastar Sportsman 2+2 Builder #7118 N421DJ
> http://deej.net/sportsman/
>
> "Many things that are unexplainable happen during the construction
> of an
> airplane." --Dave Prizio, 30 Aug 2005
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 7
> Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2009 15:43:37 -0500
> From: ejans...@chipsnet.com (Ed Janssen)
> Subject: Re: KR> Re: registering and certifiying a homebuilt you did
> not build
> To: "KRnet" <kr...@mylist.net>
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>
> Dj,
>
> I'm not sure about that. If the major part of the work was done
> before
> being acquired by Dave, there could be a problem convincing the
> inspector
> that he should be included as one of the original builders. Dave
> should
> probably check with his local FSDO before proceeding. Different
> FSDOs have
> been known to interpret regulations differently.
>
> Ed
>
>
> On 08/14/2009 12:42 PM, Ed Janssen wrote:
>> Dave,
>>
>> Currently the regulations say that if the purpose is to operate an
>> amateur-built aircraft, then the experimental certificate is
>> issued to the
>> original builder, the person(s) who did the major portion of the work
>> (interpreted to be 51%). See FAR 21.191(g):
>>
>
> Hi Ed,
> I would amend your statement to read "certificate is issued to
> (one
> of) the original builder(s)". If Dave completes the aircraft, he
> becomes one of the original builders and is allowed to apply for the
> airworthiness certificate, and also for the Repairman certificate. To
> be granted the Repairman certificate, he has to pass an "interview"
> with
> the FAA inspector basically showing that he can maintain the
> airplane in
> a safe manner. The EAA has information concerning this on their
> website.
>
> fyi
>
> -Dj
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 8
> Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2009 16:59:35 -0400
> From: Dj Merrill <d...@deej.net>
> Subject: Re: KR> Re: registering and certifiying a homebuilt you did
> not build
> To: KRnet <kr...@mylist.net>
> Message-ID: <4a85d037.8000...@deej.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
>
> On 08/14/2009 04:43 PM, Ed Janssen wrote:
>> I'm not sure about that. If the major part of the work was done
>> before
>> being acquired by Dave, there could be a problem convincing the
>> inspector
>> that he should be included as one of the original builders. Dave
>> should
>> probably check with his local FSDO before proceeding. Different
>> FSDOs have
>> been known to interpret regulations differently.
>>
>
> There are tons of projects that get passed around through several
> builders before they are ready to fly, and many project that are also
> built by several people. Until the airplane has an airworthiness
> certificate, anyone that helps to build it, even a small part of
> it, is
> part of the collective "original builders". Once the airplane has
> been
> issued an airworthiness certificate, that changes. Dave should not
> have
> any issue being able to get the inspection and airworthiness
> certificate. The Repairman certificate may be an issue, but if
> Dave can
> demonstrate that he can safely maintain the airplane, that should also
> not be an issue.
>
> Plenty of advice about this on the EAA website...
>
> -Dj
>
> --
> Dj Merrill - N1JOV
> Glastar Sportsman 2+2 Builder #7118 N421DJ
> http://deej.net/sportsman/
>
> "Many things that are unexplainable happen during the construction
> of an
> airplane." --Dave Prizio, 30 Aug 2005
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 9
> Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2009 16:38:03 -0500
> From: "Mark Langford" <n5...@hiwaay.net>
> Subject: Re: KR> Re: registering and certifiying a homebuilt you did
> not build
> To: "KRnet" <kr...@mylist.net>
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> reply-type=original
>
> If I'd bought an almost completed KR that didn't have an airworthiness
> certificate yet, I'd go through every sqaure millimeter of the
> plane and
> would thoroughly understand exactly how everything on it worked,
> and would
> adjust it all so that it operated as flawlessly as possible. Then
> I'd fix
> everything that didn't meet up to my standards or preferences. And
> when the
> inspector or DAR showed up, I'd be sure it was clear to him that I
> had total
> command of EVERYthing there was to know about the plane. And if he
> didn't
> offer me the repair certificate (which should have been arranged
> before he
> even showed up), I'd argue that if I was forced to hire your
> average A&P,
> I'd know way more about it than your average spam can repairman
> (sorry,
> average spam can repairmen of the world), and that nobody else on
> earth is
> more qualified to maintain and repair that airplane. And after 2-3
> years of
> flying and maintaining it, there would be NO DOUBT that I'd be
> better at it
> than anybody else on the planet!
>
> After that argument, I don't know how you could be turned down.
>
> My EAA tech advisor dropped by for the first of the three
> inspections that
> the EAA (and your future insurance company) would like to see on an
> experimental plane before first flight, and basically said "you
> know way
> more about this plane than I could ever hope to know... go ahead
> and finish
> it as you see fit and I'll sign it off!"
>
> But worst case is that you'll eventually befriend an A&P who'll
> realize that
> you are the guy that knows more about the plane than anybody else,
> and will
> let you do the vast majority of the annual "condition
> inspection" (and if
> he's not a total deadbeat) will show up and quiz you on everything
> he has
> questions about, before signing it off for you every year. Unless of
> course, you're a hack or the plane is junk and the A&P realizes it,
> and the
> plane is grounded until it's scrapped and burned for kindling!
> [sorry, it's
> the Ringwood Ale talking]
>
> I'm headed to Coventry tomorrow for lunch with Brendan Neary and to
> check
> out G-BTGD, built by Dave Mullins (from near Chester). It has some
> neat
> ideas on it, and to Dave's credit, he got it through the PFA's
> (Popular
> Flying Association, now LAA) hoops to get these modifications
> incorporated
> and flying. See http://www.krnet.org/krs/dmullins/G-BTGD-2.jpg for
> a nice
> shot of it doing a runup. Note the neat canopy hinge solution
> which I'd
> copy in a heartbeat. The back window is also nice, but perhaps at
> too much
> of an angle for optimal aerodynamics. Willie Wilson and Dave
> Mullins built
> their KRs concurrently around 1983. Willie still has his (more on
> that
> later on my "England webpage") and Brendan is about owner number six.
>
> My "English experience" webpage is at
> http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford/andover/ . It hasn't been updated
> in ages,
> but I'm working on that right now, to include pictures of our
> England/Scotland/Wales vacation in July, which I hope to have posted
> sometime in the next ten years. The highlight of that trip was
> when son
> Jordan came down with Swine Flu after riding the Tube in London,
> and learned
> a quick lesson on personal hygiene...
>
> Mark Langford
> N56ML "at" hiwaay.net
> website at http://www.N56ML.com
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 10
> Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2009 18:14:30 -0500
> From: Glenn Martin <rep...@martekmississippi.com>
> Subject: KR> England photos
> To: KRnet <kr...@mylist.net>
> Message-ID: <4a85efd6.2040...@martekmississippi.com>
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>
> Mark Langford wrote:
>> My "English experience" webpage is at
>> http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford/andover/
>>
>>
> That is an AWESOME webpage. The photos of the countryside and
> architecture are almost as good as being there. Those thatched
> roofs are
> really something unique! And then the Fokker!!!!! What can I say??
> Every
> photo was fantastic. I'll likely be touring those photos again and
> again. Stay away from the birds and the livestock!
> Some of them kick, eh??? Like I have said before Mark....WAY MORE INFO
> THAN I NEEDED TO KNOW...LOL!!!!
>
> --
> Glenn Martin
> Owner KR2 N1333A
> Martek Mississippi
> 13238 Hudson-Krohn Rd
> Biloxi, MS, 39532
> rep...@martekmississippi.com
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 11
> Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2009 20:19:09 -0500
> From: J L <schml...@gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: KR> England photos
> To: KRnet <kr...@mylist.net>
> Message-ID:
> <e548393f0908141819n2267cd73sc029e96332ed1...@mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
>
> Beautiful!!!
>
> How long were you there Mark?
>
> Jeff Lange
>
> On 8/14/09, Glenn Martin <rep...@martekmississippi.com> wrote:
>> Mark Langford wrote:
>>> My "English experience" webpage is at
>>> http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford/andover/
>>>
>>>
>> That is an AWESOME webpage. The photos of the countryside and
>> architecture are almost as good as being there. Those thatched
>> roofs are
>> really something unique! And then the Fokker!!!!! What can I say??
>> Every
>> photo was fantastic. I'll likely be touring those photos again and
>> again. Stay away from the birds and the livestock!
>> Some of them kick, eh??? Like I have said before Mark....WAY MORE
>> INFO
>> THAN I NEEDED TO KNOW...LOL!!!!
>>
>> --
>> Glenn Martin
>> Owner KR2 N1333A
>> Martek Mississippi
>> 13238 Hudson-Krohn Rd
>> Biloxi, MS, 39532
>> rep...@martekmississippi.com
>>
>>
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