You have mis-represented what I said, don't do it again unless you quote me 
word for word. I have thousands and thousands of dollars worth of reasons to 
be put out with the FAA and none of it my fault. I am extremely careful in 
what I say and very careful in my spelling (unlike many).

The old saying about politics and religion should have included the FAA 
Regulations. DO YOU SEE WHAT I MEAN? This started out as a very nice picture 
and an off the cuff remark, now look at it.

Have a nice day.


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Colin Rainey" <brokerpi...@bellsouth.net>
To: "KRnet" <kr...@mylist.net>
Sent: Saturday, December 09, 2006 2:54 PM
Subject: KR> VFR operations


> Ken Jones did a great job pasting the correct parts of the FAR/AIM to
> explain the differences between the two clearances, or flying status'.
> Another netter who obviously does not have the back ground or 
> understanding,
> scoffed at the post and said something like it was junk made up by the 
> FAA,
> which is why he "gave up" on the FAA.
>
> A closer read of Ken's post will reveal 2 VERY important facts:
> First, one clearance/status is for VFR operations: VFR over the top. This 
> is
> how you let ATC know you are flying over an overcast or broken layer of
> obscuration, which would usually be used to respond (but not always) to a
> request from ATC to descend while receiving flight following.  It could 
> also
> be a response to ATC after canceling an IFR Flight Plan.
>
> Secondly, the second clearance request or status is for IFR operations 
> only:
> VFR on top. This would or should not be used to describe your status or
> request a clearance while VFR. It used on IFR Flight Plans, to lessen the
> workload of both ATC and the PIC by allowing the PIC to make changes in
> altitude as necessary to maintain VFR, and simply advise ATC, while 
> allowing
> the PIC to remain on his IFR Flight Plan. Separation with other aircraft
> then becomes primarily the PIC's responsibility, but allows for him to
> advise ATC at a later time that he cannot maintain VFR, and return to 
> being
> separated by ATC advisories, and navigate himself (if that is the part of
> his flight plan he is on, etc..).
>
> Both of these clearances/statuses are very important for PICs to be 
> familiar
> with, as is virtually every part of the AIM, because ATC CANNOT "see" 
> clouds
> on the radar. They can only see precipitation, aircraft, etc (something 
> that
> will reflect back a radar echo). They depend heavily on a PIC's visual for
> information.  Most of the pilots on the net are VFR only pilots; however,
> you MUST remain aware that you share the airspace with IFR traffic as 
> well,
> and in many areas this traffic is well below 10,000 feet.  Based on the 
> last
> statistics I read from AOPA, General Aviation Aircraft outnumbered the Air
> Carrier Aircraft by something like 3 to 4 to 1.  Same with the number of
> pilots vs. airline pilots. Less than half of all pilots have a commercial
> rating. This means that alot of us have many many opportunities to come in
> contact with or interact in our airspace with these other pilots.
>
> It may be a big sky, but we are not alone, and it can get crowded...
>
> Colin Rainey
> brokerpi...@bellsouth.net
>
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