Frankly, this is the kind of crap that caused me to give up on the FAA and 
many other Government agencies. Ah, there's more to it than that but I won't 
discuss it here. I've already said to much.
Mark, go ahead and use your good common sense and don't tell anyone about 
it.

Have a great day.


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Larry&Sallie Flesner" <fles...@verizon.net>
To: "KRnet" <kr...@mylist.net>
Sent: Thursday, December 07, 2006 7:30 PM
Subject: Re: KR> VFR on top / over the top


> At 05:48 PM 12/7/2006, you wrote:
>> >From FAR Part 1, Definitions:  VFR over-the-top, with respect to the
>>operation of aircraft, means the operation of an aircraft over-the-top 
>>under
>>VFR when it is not being operated on an IFR flight plan.
>>
>> >From the AIM:
>>       4-4-7. IFR Clearance VFR-on-top
>>
>>       a. A pilot on an IFR flight plan operating in VFR weather 
>> conditions,
>>may request VFR-on-top in lieu of an assigned altitude. This permits a 
>>pilot
>>to select an altitude or flight level of their choice (subject to any ATC
>>restrictions.)
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>
> Thanks, Ken
>
> It seems to me the "VFR over-the-top" definition could just be eliminated
> from the regs and get rid of some unnecessary verbiage and confusion.
> You're either VFR or your not.  If you're not VFR you best be on an IFR 
> flight
> plan.   Do the regs state what the cloud conditions (percent of coverage)
> must be to ask for "VFR on top"?  Could a pilot on an IFR clearance ask
> for "VFR on top" with no clouds present and thus operate without an
> assigned altitude?  Just wondering. :-) I guess that would beg the
> question, what does the cloud conditions have to be before I'm considered
> to be operating "VFR over-the-top"?  Inquiring minds want to know. :-)
>
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> Larry Flesner
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