Brian:

I have had a 172  to 12,500 more than once and a 182 to more than 15,000 ft
traversing the San Gabrial mountains over  Mt. Baldy in So. Calif.  On my trips
back to CA from the midwest I would routinely go up to 12,500 traversing the
ridge between Las Vegas and Santa Fe NM.   I also have made many trips to
Prescott AZ from So. CA that required altitudes above 10,000 ft  to give
comfortable terrain clearance in the often turbulent air between Prescott & the
Colorado River at Parker and Lake Havesau City AZ.  I have personally determined
the service cieling of a 172 to be between 14,000 & 14,500 ft so at 12,500 I
would be crowding its capability pretty good

I know that the Sport Plane regs say  10,000 ft but that in high country can get
you in a lot of  trouble if you are held to it.  Perhaps the whole idea is to
keep Sport Pilots out of  high country.   Personally I never had a problem up to
the 12,000 altitude for a sustained period but I am not a smoker and do not have
a breating problem and 10,000 ft has always been the recomended cieling for
smokers.

Don
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Brian Kraut wrote:

> I saw some formula a while back that would compute your service ceiling
> (when you can get a max of 100 FPM climb for those who forgot) when you
> input your climb rate and altitude at some lower altitude.  Does anyone know
> where to find it?  I did a time to climb test in the Stang last week (end of
> the runway to 10,000 in under 13 minutes) and found that I was still going
> up 500 FPM at 13,500.  I would love to know what my ceiling would compute
> to, but I don't have the oxygen to try it.
>
> Brian Kraut
> Engineering Alternatives, Inc.
> www.engalt.com
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: krnet-boun...@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-boun...@mylist.net]On
> Behalf Of Joe H Horton
> Sent: Tuesday, March 28, 2006 7:09 PM
> To: kr...@mylist.net
> Subject: Re: KR> nice day-visit
>
> > different places to make a gradual turn, or keep it going straight.
> > I took
> > mine to 15,000' the other day, and it was still climbing at
> > something like
> > 300' per minute at that altitude.
> >
> Mark,
> What indicated airspeed were you climbing at?? I took mine to 10500 last
> night and was climbing at 400 at 110 mph indicated. Sure was nice view
> from 50miles from Philly it seemed like I was looking right down in the
> streets.
>
> Joe Horton, Coopersburg, Pa.
> joe.kr2s.buil...@juno.com
>
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