Hi Netters, The original specification for the covering of the wings etc was dynel. I did that. I later found out how weak it was. It really was a prepaint covering.I layed down a layer of 6 oz. boat cloth over it. That is what I am going to fly with. ( If I can ever get it done). Harold woods Orillia, On. Canada haroldwo...@rogers.com
----- Original Message ----- From: <krnet-requ...@mylist.net> To: <kr...@mylist.net> Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2006 12:00 AM Subject: KRnet Digest, Vol 348, Issue 95 Send KRnet mailing list submissions to kr...@mylist.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://mylist.net/listinfo/krnet or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to krnet-requ...@mylist.net You can reach the person managing the list at krnet-ow...@mylist.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of KRnet digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: Carbon Fibre (3343V) 2. RE: Carbon Fibre (Joachim Saupe) 3. Re: Carbon Fibre (Steve Eberhart) 4. Tim Haynes engine information (olson gary) 5. Tail Graphics (Mark Jones) 6. Scolding - Krnet etiquette (Barry Kruyssen) 7. Re: Carbon Fibre (Tim Haynes) 8. Re: Carbon Fibre (Mark Langford) 9. Re: Tail Graphics (Robert L. Stone) 10. Registry Windows XP (Martindale Family) 11. sunset ar 6000 feet (Harold Woods) 12. Re: Tim Haynes engine information reply to Gary (Tim Haynes) 13. Ellison carb "problem" solved (Mark Langford) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 List-Post: krnet@list.krnet.org Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 15:05:50 -0600 From: "3343V" <33...@swbell.net> Subject: Re: KR> Carbon Fibre To: "KRnet" <kr...@mylist.net> Message-ID: <00e601c63273$9988e030$0c00a8c0@Katana> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Ron Smith wrote: > > Much has been written regarding the use of Kevlar and its' > difficulty to work with. However Kevlar's strength is not much lower > than CF > while it has excellent properties such as vibration reduction, > superior > strength, lower weight (than traditional e-glass) and excellent damage > resistance. Kevlar is easy to cut as long as you use the right tools. Ceramic shears aren't cheap, but they work. Just don't try to sand it. It won't happen. Just turns into yellow fuzz that's next to impossible to get rid of. I just put a layer of glass over it, bag it with peel ply, and leave it alone until it's primed. If you're careful with the layup it'll be flat enough that high build primer will take care of any problems with the surface. -- Steve 33...@swbell.net He who seeks will find, and he who knocks will be let in. ------------------------------ Message: 2 List-Post: krnet@list.krnet.org Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 15:18:36 -0600 From: "Joachim Saupe" <jsaupe6...@earthlink.net> Subject: RE: KR> Carbon Fibre To: "KRnet" <kr...@mylist.net> Message-ID: <410-220062315211836...@earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Ron, they have the antenna on the outside! Joachim Fort Worth, Texas > [Original Message] > From: Ron Smith <mercedesm...@yahoo.com> > To: KRnet <kr...@mylist.net> > Date: 2/15/2006 2:29:42 PM > Subject: RE: KR> Carbon Fibre > > > > Doug Rupert <drup...@sympatico.ca> wrote: Tim first of all you must decide the overall mission of your > aircraft. Super fast, or what seems to be the norm with others on the list. > First be advised that CF blocks all radio, GPS signals. That said, if you > wish a clean exterior, low drag machine use carbon fiber sparingly. The > forward boat ahead of the wing as well as cowl, wheel fairings and pants > > > I was wondering how people who build aluminum airplanes ever communicate with anyone? :) > > > Ron Smith > Kr2ssxl > Cypress Ca U.S.A. > mercedesm...@yahoo.com > http://ronsmith.myphotoalbum.com/albums.php > > --------------------------------- > Yahoo! Mail > Use Photomail to share photos without annoying attachments. > _______________________________________ > Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to krnet-le...@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 3 List-Post: krnet@list.krnet.org Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 17:04:00 -0600 From: Steve Eberhart <st...@newtech.com> Subject: Re: KR> Carbon Fibre To: KRnet <kr...@mylist.net> Message-ID: <43f3b360.1000...@newtech.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Ron Smith wrote: > >I was wondering how people who build aluminum airplanes ever communicate >with anyone? :) > > We communicate, we're just talking to ATC :-) Steve Eberhart RV-7A Slider, wing and tail done and working on the Fuselage ------------------------------ Message: 4 List-Post: krnet@list.krnet.org Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 18:10:13 -0600 From: "olson gary" <olsontrees...@hotmail.com> Subject: KR> Tim Haynes engine information To: kr...@mylist.net Message-ID: <bay103-f395dcdeb93f92bf188dc8faa...@phx.gbl> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed I have had the privilege of belonging to several e-mail groups where everyone enjoyed helping each other achieve their dreams and goals of building an aircraft. Recently there has been an incredible amount of griping from a few of the members of this group. It is directed at others simply trying to tap into the vast knowledge base that exists in this club. I had recently posted an item for sale on the site that was purchased by another member. The item was extremely popular and I received several e-mails regarding it. I thought it best for everyone including myself that I forward one of the e-mails to the group with my reply that the item was sold. My intention was to let any other interested members know that it was sold and not to waste their time or mine by inquiring about it. Lo and behold, I was sent an e-mail by one other fellow that accused me of spam mail. His e-mail to me "by his very own definition" was SPAM. I did not want it or ask for it, but he felt it was his job to dress me down for wasting his time. Wouldn't it have been easier to just click the box along with the rest of the posts that you had no interest in and delete it instead of going thru the trouble of sending me a accusatory reply? The reason that we belong to these groups is because we are not all-knowing or perfect and sometimes we make mistakes with regard to posting items. We are looking for help, not to be scolded like a 2 year old. For all of the truly good hearted and helpful people on the list, thank you. I am sorry for wasting your time. For the other few, perhaps a little tolerance of those who are not as perfect as you would go a long way!! Gary Olson Oshkosh ------------------------------ Message: 5 List-Post: krnet@list.krnet.org Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 18:37:27 -0600 From: "Mark Jones" <flyk...@wi.rr.com> Subject: KR> Tail Graphics To: "KR Net" <kr...@mylist.net> Message-ID: <000801c63291$2b078e40$6401a...@wi.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Just in case anyone is interested :-) here is a link which shows the tail graphics I just applied. http://flykr2s.com/photo.html Mark Jones (N886MJ) Wales, WI USA E-mail me at flyk...@wi.rr.com Visit my NEW KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at www.flykr2s.com ------------------------------ Message: 6 List-Post: krnet@list.krnet.org Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2006 10:50:11 +1000 From: "Barry Kruyssen" <k...@bigpond.com> Subject: KR> Scolding - Krnet etiquette To: "'KRnet'" <kr...@mylist.net> Message-ID: <20060216005026.XWVB17345.omta04ps.mx.bigpond.com@T1W100490> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hi Gary I wish to offer you my moral support. At times there is junk email by our members, some of the threads go on toooooooooooooooo long and a high percentage of the threads end up way off subject. But the knowledge here is extremely good and useful, and there is so much that it can be a major job to wade through it get the relevant information. That's why some of us ask questions that have already been asked, patients please. Gary's info saying every thing was sold already was useful to those that were still thinking of buying it. Not everything is relevant to everyone (what do I care about the "William" thread, it has gone on way to long and I have a Jabiru :-) We should be more patient and respectful of each other ............ ...........AND TRY TO KEEP INFORMATION RELEVANT AND CONCISE SO AS NOT TO CLUTTER THE ARCHIVES. Sorry to go on like this but some people may get offended by some of the replies they get, especially the public ones (I expect to get a few choice replies from this email, they will all be deleted and I will not respond to them, I may not even read them.... Yes I will. :-) Best regards Thick Skinned - Barry Kruyssen Cairns, Australia k...@bigpond.com http://www.users.bigpond.com/kr2/kr2.htm -----Original Message----- From: krnet-boun...@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-boun...@mylist.net] On Behalf Of olson gary Sent: Thursday, 16 February 2006 10:10 AM To: kr...@mylist.net Subject: KR> Tim Haynes engine information I have had the privilege of belonging to several e-mail groups where everyone enjoyed helping each other achieve their dreams and goals of building an aircraft. Recently there has been an incredible amount of griping from a few of the members of this group. It is directed at others simply trying to tap into the vast knowledge base that exists in this club. I had recently posted an item for sale on the site that was purchased by another member. The item was extremely popular and I received several e-mails regarding it. I thought it best for everyone including myself that I forward one of the e-mails to the group with my reply that the item was sold. My intention was to let any other interested members know that it was sold and not to waste their time or mine by inquiring about it. Lo and behold, I was sent an e-mail by one other fellow that accused me of spam mail. His e-mail to me "by his very own definition" was SPAM. I did not want it or ask for it, but he felt it was his job to dress me down for wasting his time. Wouldn't it have been easier to just click the box along with the rest of the posts that you had no interest in and delete it instead of going thru the trouble of sending me a accusatory reply? The reason that we belong to these groups is because we are not all-knowing or perfect and sometimes we make mistakes with regard to posting items. We are looking for help, not to be scolded like a 2 year old. For all of the truly good hearted and helpful people on the list, thank you. I am sorry for wasting your time. For the other few, perhaps a little tolerance of those who are not as perfect as you would go a long way!! Gary Olson Oshkosh _______________________________________ Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to krnet-le...@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 7 List-Post: krnet@list.krnet.org Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2006 10:55:57 +1000 From: "Tim Haynes" <t...@dodo.com.au> Subject: Re: KR> Carbon Fibre To: "KRnet" <kr...@mylist.net> Cc: Walter <radov...@primus.com.au> Message-ID: <05f801c63293$c0527ad0$761e443d@ibmsi9gk5oq78q> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="windows-1250"; reply-type=original Hi Doug Thanks for your email. I am a little confused. You Say " If your not worried about total performance then go ahead and use carbon" ???? The reason i want to use carbon is is for its superior properties and was considering a lighter weight than glass. Also where multipul layers are required with glass that would not be the case in carbon. An immediate weight saving, and a stiffer structure. As you suggested with seats, spats etc. In my intial email re Carbon i stated yes we understand Carbon is stronger than eglass. It was in the area of "Buckeling" i was particualy interested in if used for wingskins. Does its properties in this area exceeded eglass.If so I would then feel comfortable to use a calculated lighter weight than the eglass used in the premouled skins presently avalaible. Mark said he used Carbon weight of 5.85 ounce / yard (on the majority of his KR2) the same weight as if using glass in relation to the wingskins. And i presume a single or at least less layers than glass than glass in the other areas. Mark are your Carbon wing skins premoulded ??? A question re KR2 original plans. Is it correct the original plans of the KR2 show dynal sheathing as the nominated wing skin.Is this is the case, as i understand it. Dynal offers no structual bennefits only acting as a skin to paint.It also weighs almost nothing. Out of interest if dynal was / is used it would not be premoulded. What technique was used, was there a layer of thin foam underneath the Dynal. ??? Thanks for all you help and patience Regards, Tim, Australia t...@dodo.com.au ----- Original Message ----- From: "Doug Rupert" <drup...@sympatico.ca> To: "'KRnet'" <kr...@mylist.net> Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2006 4:02 AM Subject: RE: KR> Carbon Fibre Tim first of all you must decide the overall mission of your aircraft. Super fast, or what seems to be the norm with others on the list. First be advised that CF blocks all radio, GPS signals. That said, if you wish a clean exterior, low drag machine use carbon fiber sparingly. The forward boat ahead of the wing as well as cowl, wheel fairings and pants come to mind. If you're not that worried about total performance the go ahead and use carbon fiber BUT you best have a wad of cash, this stuff isn't cheap. Myself, I would use CF for the seat pan and especially the seat back and bulkhead at the rear of the baggage shelf. Why? Exactly those properties that make CF undesirable for internal radio antennas. Passive radiation from said antenna are not exactly a boon to ones health. Want an example? Lay your hand on the antenna and push the transmit button. Next day your hand will look like a football it will be so swollen. (watch the flame wars start over that statement) Much has been written regarding the use of Kevlar and its' difficulty to work with. However Kevlar's strength is not much lower than CF while it has excellent properties such as vibration reduction, superior strength, lower weight (than traditional e-glass) and excellent damage resistance. For my own KR I went with the composite boat method of construction. This does away with the outer plywood skin and replaces it with foam between all the boat formers and sandwiched both sides with fabric (be it glass, Kevlar or carbon fiber). The inner skin on mine will be of Kevlar since the overall finish is hidden away. The outer covering is S-Glass which is 30% stronger, 15 % stiffer and retains those properties up to 1500 degrees. S-Glass is finished the same way as traditional E-Glass so you can achieve a truly outstanding outer finish on the aircraft. Hope this helps with the carbon fiber issue. As to engines, well many have responded already but I don't know what a Jabaru sells for in Australia so I don't feel comfortable commenting on the issue other than the lighter weight of the Jab may necessitate using a longer engine mount to keep the CG with range. Doug Rupert Simcoe Ontario I have already tried 2 twice to acecess the information via KRnet Archives. For both Carbon Info and Jabiru 3300 info. Nil results. ! I read the instructions re wording to use still no luck ? Regards, Tim -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.15.7/259 - Release Date: 2/13/2006 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > _______________________________________ > Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to krnet-le...@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 8 List-Post: krnet@list.krnet.org Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 19:38:16 -0600 From: "Mark Langford" <n5...@hiwaay.net> Subject: Re: KR> Carbon Fibre To: "KRnet" <kr...@mylist.net> Message-ID: <000e01c63299$aa4a02c0$2802a8c0@2600xp> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="windows-1250"; reply-type=original Tim wrote: > Mark are your Carbon wing skins premoulded ??? See http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford/owings.html . Mark Langford, Harvest, AL see homebuilt airplane at http://www.N56ML.com email to N56ML "at" hiwaay.net info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 9 List-Post: krnet@list.krnet.org Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 19:46:00 -0600 From: "Robert L. Stone" <rsto...@hot.rr.com> Subject: Re: KR> Tail Graphics To: "KRnet" <kr...@mylist.net> Message-ID: <000801c6329a$bd643050$5d817646@yourat5qgaac3z> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Hay Mark, Here is a Texas compliment, That flying mochine of yours sho is a hansom critter. Bob Stone, Harker Heights, Tx rsto...@hot.rr.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Jones" <flyk...@wi.rr.com> To: "KR Net" <kr...@mylist.net> Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2006 6:37 PM Subject: KR> Tail Graphics > Just in case anyone is interested :-) here is a link which shows the > tail graphics I just applied. > http://flykr2s.com/photo.html > > Mark Jones (N886MJ) > Wales, WI USA > E-mail me at flyk...@wi.rr.com > Visit my NEW > KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at www.flykr2s.com > > > _______________________________________ > Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to krnet-le...@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > ------------------------------ Message: 10 List-Post: krnet@list.krnet.org Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2006 12:53:25 +1100 From: "Martindale Family" <johnja...@optusnet.com.au> Subject: KR> Registry Windows XP To: "KRnet" <kr...@mylist.net> Message-ID: <000601c6329b$c83760f0$6400a8c0@desktop> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Folks, off topic I know but I've been having such problems lately with my computer running intermittently slowly. I downloaded Reg Seeker from www.hoverdesk.net/freeware.htm and gave it a burl....... It found 1410 problems in my registry. When added to the 394 bits of spyware uncovered by AdAware, I'm amazed the electrons moved at all. Use at your own risk but it sure fixed me up. I'm a happy little Vegemite now. John Martindale Family 29 Jane Circuit TOORMINA NSW 2452 AUSTRALIA ph: 61 2 66584767 mobile: 0417584767 email: johnja...@optusnet.com.au web: www.members.optusnet.com.au/johnjanet/Martindale.htm ------------------------------ Message: 11 List-Post: krnet@list.krnet.org Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 21:27:24 -0500 From: "Harold Woods" <haroldwo...@rogers.com> Subject: KR> sunset ar 6000 feet To: <kr...@mylist.net> Message-ID: <00a401c632a0$85ee9740$6500a8c0@HAROLD> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Hi Netters One of the best motivational elements was Marks photo of "sunset at 6000 feet". If for no other reason, I should finish my KR, it is because I can view nature from such a lovely "perch". Regards Harold Woods Orillia, ON. Canada. haroldwo...@rogers.com ------------------------------ Message: 12 List-Post: krnet@list.krnet.org Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2006 13:33:02 +1000 From: "Tim Haynes" <t...@dodo.com.au> Subject: Re: KR> Tim Haynes engine information reply to Gary To: <gtol...@hotmail.com>, "KRnet" <kr...@mylist.net> Message-ID: <064e01c632a9$b2590c80$761e443d@ibmsi9gk5oq78q> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Gary, well put. Perhaps i could contribute, Its not always what you say, its how its you say it. Tim Australia t...@dodo.com.au ----- Original Message ----- From: "olson gary" <olsontrees...@hotmail.com> To: <kr...@mylist.net> Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2006 10:10 AM Subject: KR> Tim Haynes engine information >I have had the privilege of belonging to several e-mail groups where > everyone enjoyed helping each other achieve their dreams and goals of > building an aircraft. Recently there has been an incredible amount of > griping from a few of the members of this group. It is directed at others > simply trying to tap into the vast knowledge base that exists in this > club. > > I had recently posted an item for sale on the site that was purchased by > another member. The item was extremely popular and I received several > e-mails regarding it. I thought it best for everyone including myself that > I > forward one of the e-mails to the group with my reply that the item was > sold. My intention was to let any other interested members know that it > was > sold and not to waste their time or mine by inquiring about it. Lo and > behold, I was sent an e-mail by one other fellow that accused me of spam > mail. His e-mail to me "by his very own definition" was SPAM. I did not > want > it or ask for it, but he felt it was his job to dress me down for wasting > his time. Wouldn't it have been easier to just click the box along with > the > rest of the posts that you had no interest in and delete it instead of > going > thru the trouble of sending me a accusatory reply? The reason that we > belong > to these groups is because we are not all-knowing or perfect and sometimes > we make mistakes with regard to posting items. We are looking for help, > not > to be scolded like a 2 year old. For all of the truly good hearted and > helpful people on the list, thank you. I am sorry for wasting your time. > For > the other few, perhaps a little tolerance of those who are not as perfect > as > you would go a long way!! > > Gary Olson > Oshkosh > > > > _______________________________________ > Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to krnet-le...@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 13 List-Post: krnet@list.krnet.org Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 22:07:52 -0600 From: "Mark Langford" <n5...@hiwaay.net> Subject: KR> Ellison carb "problem" solved To: "KRnet" <kr...@mylist.net> Message-ID: <000801c632ae$8ebe6ae0$2802a8c0@2600xp> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Harold Woods wrote: > One of the best motivational elements was Marks photo of "sunset at 6000 > feet". Thanks, Harold. I took a few more today! Today I adjusted my mixture linkage so that the carb wouldn't be so rich at "full rich". This pretty much solved the rich mixture problem. For the last few weeks, full throttle made the mixture go suddenly lean, but pulling the mixture out a quarter inch made it much richer, which simply doesn't make sense to me. For whatever reason, readjusting the mixture lever to a more lean position solved that problem, so now when it's full rich, it's really full rich. I also covered up the ram air and started sucking warmer air from under the cowling, so now I never have to worry about carb heat. This is just a temporary experiment, but I think I like the resulting improvement in fuel distribution, with no real decrease in power. The range at which the mixture is acceptable seemed to be much larger today. Of course it was also much warmer today than it has been, so that may also be a factor. I'll reinstall ram air in Spring, if not before, because under cowling temps will soar then. The engine really ran perfectly today, so I flew for 45 minutes until it got so dark I had to land. I have to admit to hollering a few YEEEEEHAAAAAAAAAAs while doing cricles around the house. Ellison owners may want to check the bottom quarter of http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford/fuel/ for something interesting when rebuild time rolls around... Mark Langford, Harvest, AL see homebuilt airplane at http://www.N56ML.com email to N56ML "at" hiwaay.net ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ See KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html End of KRnet Digest, Vol 348, Issue 95 **************************************
