Le 11/04/2018 à 15:46, Wayne Stambaugh a écrit : > On 4/11/2018 9:23 AM, Strontium wrote: >> On a practical note, the bigger the profile of KiCad gets, the more >> likely some a-hole tries to trademark kicad out from under the project >> for their own perceived benefit (Or just simply to be an a-hole). It >> happens. >> >> So it's probably a good idea to get the trademark just to protect the >> project from someone else taking it and then the trouble that causes. > > This would be less of an issue if there was a legal entity for the KiCad > project. For now, I'm fine with registering it under JP's name or CERN > if JP isn't interested in having it under his name. >
I am fine to register Kicad under CERN. (I am not especially interested in having it under my name.) >> >> Who pays for that, and who holds it is another question. But if it >> happens, we should clearly define what's allowed and what's not. For >> example, if you made a board in KiCad, is it allowed to put the KiCad >> logo on the boards silkscreen? What if it's a commercial board, and not >> open source? That sort of thing. > > As I mentioned to Hilary, I'm also fine with offsetting the registration > costs with the proceeds from any merchandise sales. I don't think this > is unreasonable. > > As for the KiCad logo on boards designed with KiCad, I personally don't > have an issue with anyone adding our logo to their boards be they open > or proprietary. It's free advertising either way. I doubt many > proprietary boards will include any design tool logos. > >> >> Steven >> >> On 11/04/18 19:51, Wayne Stambaugh wrote: >>> Please take a look at the inquiry below that I received from CERN about >>> using the KiCad logo for merchandising and trademark questions. I have >>> included my response to the inquiry. Does anyone else have any >>> objections or any knowledge of KiCad being a registered trademark? >>> >>> Cheers, >>> >>> Wayne >>> >>> -------- Forwarded Message -------- >>> Subject: RE: Right to use KiCad name / logo >>> Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2018 13:59:55 +0000 >>> From: Hilary Nathan <[email protected]> >>> To: Wayne Stambaugh <[email protected]> >>> CC: Javier Serrano <[email protected]> >>> >>> Hi Wayne >>> Many thanks for your prompt response. I will follow up with Javier and >>> CERN's legal team to see what (if any) efforts have been made for TM >>> protection of the KiCad name/logo. >>> In the meantime, it would be great if you could contact the rest of the >>> development team to receive their response to my queries. >>> Best wishes >>> Hilary >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Wayne Stambaugh <[email protected]> Sent: 09 April 2018 15:48 >>> To: Hilary Nathan <[email protected]> >>> Cc: Javier Serrano <[email protected]> >>> Subject: Re: Right to use KiCad name / logo >>> >>> Hi Hilary, >>> >>> I personally do not have any issue with using the KiCad logo as long as >>> the merchandising proceeds go to the KiCad project. I cannot speak for >>> the entire development team but I'm reasonably sure they would feel the >>> same way. I can ask on the developers mailing list if you prefer. >>> >>> I was under the impression the CERN was going to handle registering the >>> KiCad trademark (at least in the EU) given some of the conversations I >>> have had with Javier but I may have misunderstood. Perhaps we could use >>> some of the proceeds to help defer the cost of getting KiCad trademarked >>> at least in the US and EU. I do not believe there is any intent to >>> trademark KiCad. We really don't have any legal entity to own the >>> trademark so I suspect that is why it has not happened up to this point. >>> I'm not sure how best to handle this. I am comfortable with CERN >>> applying for the trademark as long as it is understood that the >>> trademark belongs to the KiCad project. The other option may be to >>> register it under the project founder's name (Jean-Pierre Charras). I >>> am open to suggestion since legal matters are not my specialty. >>> >>> Cheers, >>> >>> Wayne >>> >>> On 4/9/2018 6:51 AM, Hilary Nathan wrote: >>>> Dear Wayne >>>> >>>> >>>> I joined CERN at the beginning of this year and have been in touch >>>> with Chris Gammell from Analog Life LLC/Contextual Electronics about >>>> how together we can increase awareness and funds for KiCad. Chris >>>> already uses the KiCad name and logo on his community forum (and other >>>> sites) to support KiCad, and sells KiCad-branded merchandise to raise >>>> money for KiCad development. >>>> >>>> >>>> Before CERN partners with Chris (and potentially others) in this kind >>>> of activity, I wanted to check with you about trademark protection and >>>> ability to use the KiCad name and logo. >>>> >>>> >>>> As I understand, the licences for KiCad (program, documentation, >>>> library and website) do not cover trademarks. I have searched >>>> trademark data bases and KiCad is not listed as a protected mark. >>>> >>>> >>>> Would you kindly advise: >>>> >>>> >>>> 1. Whether there is any trademark protection for KiCad? >>>> >>>> 2. If so, what is the source of the protection, where is it >>>> registered and who is the owner of the IP? >>>> >>>> 3. If not, are all interested parties (yourself and the other >>>> authors; other contributors or sponsors) happy for CERN to use the >>>> KiCad name and logo in a commercial manner (eg: merchandise) >>>> independently or with other partners (such as Chris) with all profits >>>> flowing back to the CERN & Society Foundation for KiCad development? >>>> >>>> 4. If not, do any interested parties (as identified above) >>>> intend to apply trademark protection to the name/logo? >>>> >>>> >>>> If it is easier, we can discuss by telephone when it's convenient for >>>> you. >>>> >>>> >>>> Your advice is much appreciated. >>>> >>>> >>>> Best wishes >>>> >>>> Hilary >>>> >>>> >>>> *Hilary Nathan* >>>> >>>> CERN & Society Foundation >>>> >>>> CERN International Relations >>>> >>>> >>>> inst-CERN >>>> >>>> CERN - European Organization for Nuclear Research CH - 1211 Geneva 23, >>>> Switzerland >>>> >>>> >>>> Tel. +41 22 76 62159 >>>> >>>> http://www.cern.ch/giving >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> /Sign up for the CERN & Society e-newsletter and stay up-to-date!/ >>>> >>>> /cern.ch/go/CSnews <https://t.co/JdInNbLSl8> /// >>>> -- Jean-Pierre CHARRAS _______________________________________________ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers Post to : [email protected] Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
