On 1/12/2018 8:19 PM, Nick Østergaard wrote: > IMHO the new icon collection looks awful. They are not pixel aligned and > renders quite fuzzy in many details. > > http://storage4.static.itmages.com/i/18/0113/h_1515804843_8735496_c1a004f249.png > > Looking at the the new ones are part of the red circles and renders > fuzzy, while the green one looks more like the old one and renders more > sharply.
Good catch Nick. I didn't notice the fuzzy icons. Please sharpen these when you get a chance. > > Some of the simplification made are an improvement, but the icons are > not ready. > > In addition to that a white boarder has been added to overlay icons even > when there is already a black border. I think only one of those should > be there, and probably not a black and white. Usually a darker color of > the same color as the overlay icon makes a better apperance when we are > talking these sizes of icons. But this is really dependent on the icon > composition. Some of the old icons with arrows also had this white > boarder, but not the black one. When removing the white boarder it > looked better. > > I don't like that so many icons are change without specific > justification. or example the reload.svg was changed. The direction of > the arrows changed and the color. Why? See attached image. > The export STEP icon, you can't even read the P in STP. > > 2018-01-12 20:11 GMT+01:00 Wayne Stambaugh <stambau...@gmail.com > <mailto:stambau...@gmail.com>>: > > Oliver, > > The new icons look great. They are far more coherent than what we had. > I merged your patch into the development branch. Thank you for > contribution to KiCad. > > Cheers, > > Wayne > > On 01/11/2018 02:54 AM, Oliver Walters wrote: > > Wayne, > > > > I have taken further suggestions and final icon set is shown below: > > > > Inline image 1 > > > > The attached patch incorporates all of the icon changes thus far > > implemented. > > > > Thanks, > > Oliver > > > > On Thu, Jan 11, 2018 at 1:58 AM, Wayne Stambaugh <stambau...@gmail.com > <mailto:stambau...@gmail.com> > > <mailto:stambau...@gmail.com <mailto:stambau...@gmail.com>>> wrote: > > > > I see scope creep happening here. I thought the original goal was > to > > make some minor tweaks to our existing icons not wholesale > replacement > > of the them. I don't like the camera either. I'm not a big fan of > the > > calculator icon. Both of these icons looks completely out of place > with > > our other icons. Please keep the scope of these changes in check. > If > > we want to discuss an entirely new icon theme for v6, that's fine > at the > > appropriate time but not for v5. > > > > On 1/10/2018 9:42 AM, Jeff Young wrote: > > > Splendid! > > > > > > Although I agree with Kristoffer that the new bitmap2component > icon > > > isn’t much help. Import/Export is the one area where we’ve kept > the > > > arrows (which I think is fine). Given that, the pixelated “a” > with an > > > import arrow would be perfect. > > > > > > FWIW, this is one area where I disagree with Nick. I did user > interface > > > design and software architecture for Adobe for 25 years and in my > > > professional opinion, these icons are a HUGE improvement. > > > > > > Cheers, > > > Jeff > > > > > > > > >> On 10 Jan 2018, at 14:28, Oliver Walters > > >> <oliver.henry.walt...@gmail.com > <mailto:oliver.henry.walt...@gmail.com> > <mailto:oliver.henry.walt...@gmail.com > <mailto:oliver.henry.walt...@gmail.com>> > > >> <mailto:oliver.henry.walt...@gmail.com > <mailto:oliver.henry.walt...@gmail.com> > > <mailto:oliver.henry.walt...@gmail.com > <mailto:oliver.henry.walt...@gmail.com>>>> wrote: > > >> > > >> Also, would it be too much to ask for getting the arrows, the > > >> diskette and the folder in the repo with the patch, > basically if > > >> someone wants to create future icons. They could use the same > > >> arrows for any kind of export, import, save, inspect or view. > > >> > > >> > > >> I have created a set of "common icons" for exactly this purpose > :) > > >> > > >> > > >> On Thu, Jan 11, 2018 at 1:27 AM, Kristoffer Ödmark > > >> <kristofferodmar...@gmail.com > <mailto:kristofferodmar...@gmail.com> > > <mailto:kristofferodmar...@gmail.com > <mailto:kristofferodmar...@gmail.com>> > > <mailto:kristofferodmar...@gmail.com > <mailto:kristofferodmar...@gmail.com> > > <mailto:kristofferodmar...@gmail.com > <mailto:kristofferodmar...@gmail.com>>>> > > >> wrote: > > >> > > >> Wow, really nice! Although, the icon for the > bitmap2component > > >> basically looks like a screenshot symbol to me, or > something > > >> related to a webcam. > > >> > > >> The old one isnt as polished, but I think it fits better. > > >> > > >> Also, would it be too much to ask for getting the > arrows, the > > >> diskette and the folder in the repo with the patch, > basically if > > >> someone wants to create future icons. They could use > the same > > >> arrows for any kind of export, import, save, inspect or > view. > > >> > > >> Basically to help get a icon theme thing going ;) > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> -Kristoffer > > >> > > >> > > >> On 01/10/2018 03:13 PM, Oliver Walters wrote: > > >> > > >> Wayne, > > >> > > >> Here is the outcome of removing the save / load > arrows and > > >> replacing with > > >> standard load / save icons. > > >> > > >> I have also further tweaked the main icons as per > > suggestions. > > >> > > >> Screenshots here: > > >> > > >> https://imgur.com/a/DzZhZ > > >> > > >> This is about as far as I want to go with this, > please let me > > >> know if there > > >> are any outstanding issues that prevent me from > submitting a > > >> patch. > > >> > > >> Thanks, > > >> Oliver > > >> > > >> On Wed, Jan 10, 2018 at 8:09 AM, Oliver Walters < > > >> oliver.henry.walt...@gmail.com > <mailto:oliver.henry.walt...@gmail.com> > > <mailto:oliver.henry.walt...@gmail.com > <mailto:oliver.henry.walt...@gmail.com>> > > >> <mailto:oliver.henry.walt...@gmail.com > <mailto:oliver.henry.walt...@gmail.com> > > <mailto:oliver.henry.walt...@gmail.com > <mailto:oliver.henry.walt...@gmail.com>>>> wrote: > > >> > > >> Ok, that's good to hear. I will take another look at > the > > >> Gerber icons and > > >> otherwise see if anyone can suggest some simple clean > > >> replacements for the > > >> arrows. If not, I'll push a patch. > > >> > > >> On Wed, Jan 10, 2018 at 8:05 AM, Wayne Stambaugh > > >> <stambau...@gmail.com <mailto:stambau...@gmail.com> > <mailto:stambau...@gmail.com <mailto:stambau...@gmail.com>> > > <mailto:stambau...@gmail.com <mailto:stambau...@gmail.com> > <mailto:stambau...@gmail.com <mailto:stambau...@gmail.com>>>> > > >> wrote: > > >> > > >> One good thing about bitmaps is they are > low risk > > >> (other than the > > >> complaining that will surely ensue) so we > can merge > > >> them just about any > > >> time. I don't want to wait too long so our doc > > images > > >> can be updated to > > >> reflect the changes so if we cannot come up > with > > >> better alternatives to > > >> replace the arrows, I'm OK with leaving them as > > is and > > >> pushing it off > > >> until v6. > > >> > > >> Cheers, > > >> > > >> Wayne > > >> > > >> On 1/9/2018 3:31 PM, Jeff Young wrote: > > >> > > >> I think the changes are absolutely good in > > >> general, and I’d very much > > >> like to see them get merged. Not that > I have any > > >> control over that. ;) > > >> > > >> As for the arrows, I’d still really > like to see > > >> them go away. The > > >> colour isn’t the problem, it’s the arrows > > >> themselves. ANY of the > > >> alternatives discussed (that don’t include > > arrows) > > >> would be better. > > >> > > >> Cheers, > > >> Jeff. > > >> > > >> > > >> On 9 Jan 2018, at 20:13, Oliver Walters > > >> <oliver.henry.walt...@gmail.com > <mailto:oliver.henry.walt...@gmail.com> > > <mailto:oliver.henry.walt...@gmail.com > <mailto:oliver.henry.walt...@gmail.com>> > > >> > <mailto:oliver.henry.walt...@gmail.com > <mailto:oliver.henry.walt...@gmail.com> > > <mailto:oliver.henry.walt...@gmail.com > <mailto:oliver.henry.walt...@gmail.com>>> > > >> > <mailto:oliver.henry.walt...@gmail.com > <mailto:oliver.henry.walt...@gmail.com> > > <mailto:oliver.henry.walt...@gmail.com > <mailto:oliver.henry.walt...@gmail.com>> > > >> > <mailto:oliver.henry.walt...@gmail.com > <mailto:oliver.henry.walt...@gmail.com> > > <mailto:oliver.henry.walt...@gmail.com > <mailto:oliver.henry.walt...@gmail.com>>>>> wrote: > > >> > > >> The coloured arrows were already in > > place, all > > >> I have done is made > > >> them all the same "style". In fact, > > previously > > >> concepts like "save" > > >> and "load" were conveyed both with > a downward > > >> pointing arrow, and the > > >> arrow colour was the only point of > > difference. > > >> > > >> I thought I had made an improvement > on what > > >> was already existing. My > > >> intent was not to necessarily do a > sweeping > > >> redesign. > > >> > > >> If this is now an additional > requirement > > I can > > >> make these not arrows, > > >> but I'd like some direction on what > to do > > >> instead. It will be hard to > > >> fit a more detailed icon. > > >> > > >> Other than this, what are your thoughts > > >> overall? Is it worth my time > > >> pursuing this further? Are these > changes good > > >> in general and can you > > >> see them being merged? > > >> > > >> On 10 Jan 2018 04:44, "Wayne Stambaugh" > > >> <stambau...@gmail.com > <mailto:stambau...@gmail.com> > > <mailto:stambau...@gmail.com <mailto:stambau...@gmail.com>> > > >> <mailto:stambau...@gmail.com > <mailto:stambau...@gmail.com> > > <mailto:stambau...@gmail.com <mailto:stambau...@gmail.com>>> > > >> <mailto:stambau...@gmail.com > <mailto:stambau...@gmail.com> > > <mailto:stambau...@gmail.com <mailto:stambau...@gmail.com>> > > >> <mailto:stambau...@gmail.com > <mailto:stambau...@gmail.com> > > <mailto:stambau...@gmail.com <mailto:stambau...@gmail.com>>>>> > wrote: > > >> > > >> On 1/9/2018 12:05 PM, Rene > Pöschl wrote: > > >> > On 09/01/18 16:50, Wayne > Stambaugh > > wrote: > > >> >> I'm with Jose on the > arrows. If we > > >> are going to use them, > > >> please don't > > >> >> make the all different > colors. I > > >> don't see how a blue left > > >> arrow versus > > >> >> a magenta right arrow > conveys any > > >> meaning to the user. > > >> >> > > >> > > > >> > I like the idea of coloring them > > >> differently. For me this will > > >> give an > > >> > additional way to > distinguish the > > >> buttons. (Some of them have > > >> only the > > >> > direction of the arrow as a > > difference. > > >> Which is easily > > >> overlooked.) I > > >> > hope having different colors > will make > > >> it easier for my brain to > > >> > remember which button does > what. (I > > >> can't tell you how often i > > >> clicked > > >> > load symbol instead of > update symbol > > >> while working on the > > >> reorganization > > >> > of the official lib.) > > >> > > >> What information does the > different > > color > > >> arrow convey? If you are > > >> using different colors for > contrast, > > that > > >> is one thing but just > > >> > > >> making > > >> > > >> them different colors for > informational > > >> purposes doesn't make any > > >> sense > > >> to me. 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