I'm with Jose on the arrows. If we are going to use them, please don't make the all different colors. I don't see how a blue left arrow versus a magenta right arrow conveys any meaning to the user.
On 1/9/2018 10:01 AM, José Ignacio wrote: > i dislike the arrows on their own > too. > https://www.google.com/search?q=file+open+icon&tbm=isch&ei=M9hUWtfCEMicjwSc-ovYCg&start=0&sa=N > looks like a curve arrow in the direction where the book opens, with the > book partially open would be more recognizable. For the "open > symbol/footprint from library" icons the best would probably be to have > the symbol or fp icon come out of an open book. > > On Jan 9, 2018 8:53 AM, "Jeff Young" <j...@rokeby.ie > <mailto:j...@rokeby.ie>> wrote: > > Hi Oliver, > > Looking good. More comments: > > 1) Go further. ;) In particular, increase contrast even more by > removing the fill on the project icons and on the symbol (libedit) > and footprint (modedit) icons. > > 2) Dark red in schematic icon and symbol icon should match. (The > symbol icon is closer to the default colour.) > > 3) The arrows drive me bonkers. How about a check-mark superimposed > over icons to show “Set Active ...”, a superimposed folder for “Open > …”, and a superimposed disk for “Save…”? Something along the lines of: > > > only with more artistic talent. ;) > > (I suppose you could even have arrows coming out of the folder and > going into the disk, but that might make them overly busy.) > > Cheers, > Jeff. > >> On 9 Jan 2018, at 14:25, Oliver Walters >> <oliver.henry.walt...@gmail.com >> <mailto:oliver.henry.walt...@gmail.com>> wrote: >> >> Thanks for the feedback everyone, I have increased contrast on the >> "worst icons ever seen" (which for the record I had not yet got >> around to tweaking, these have been hyperbolically terrible for a >> while now). >> >> Other improvements thus far made: >> >> 1. Further simplification of icons, removal of "shadows", "page >> curls" and other such frivolities >> 2. Consolidation of icons - e.g. there were about 5 different ways >> of drawing "module" and "symbol" icons >> 3. Alignment / color / style issues >> 4. Further work on "modifier" icons to provide better contrast on >> all backgrounds (black border + white border, and better color >> selection) >> >> Example from the home-screen: >> >> <Selection_013.png> >> >> A larger set of screenshots can be found here - >> https://imgur.com/a/dm0JQ >> >> Cheers, >> >> >> On Tue, Jan 9, 2018 at 10:11 PM, Jeff Young <j...@rokeby.ie >> <mailto:j...@rokeby.ie>> wrote: >> >> I hadn’t noticed the shadows (there’s one on the modedit icon >> too), but I’d put them in the same camp as the turned-up >> corners: adding visual complexity without any cognitive benefit. >> >> The *’s are commonly used to mean “new”. (They should be more >> of a glint than a star, but that’s difficult in a few pixels.) >> >> Cheers, >> Jeff. >> >> >>> On 9 Jan 2018, at 07:02, Andrey Kuznetsov >>> <kandre...@gmail.com <mailto:kandre...@gmail.com>> wrote: >>> >>> Oliver thanks, >>> >>> Here's a couple more comments in addition to Jeff's. >>> >>> 1. I agree with Jeff on the Gerber icon, it's not clear which >>> is which PCB layout vs Gerber. >>> 2. Why are the books different height??? Make red book same >>> height as green book. >>> 3. I don't understand the meaning of the * on the icons. >>> 4. See if making the red book a little more bright red, makes >>> it look better, thanks for changing the yellow book to blue. >>> Try checking if a black shadow around the + sign on the book >>> icon makes it look better instead of the white. Same thing >>> for all the arrows. >>> 5. I agree with Jeff, not sure the complexity of the folded >>> sheet corner is welcomed. >>> 6. Anyone else thinks the shadow under the amplifier for the >>> symbol edit button makes it look weird? >>> >>> I LIKE: >>> 1. The calculator button, I wanted to suggest it, but didn't. >>> 2. The empty worksheet layout button. >>> >>> On Mon, Jan 8, 2018 at 12:36 PM, Oliver >>> Walters <oliver.henry.walt...@gmail.com >>> <mailto:oliver.henry.walt...@gmail.com>> wrote: >>> >>> What about something like this? >>> >>> <Selection_011.png> >>> >>> I have also gone through the entire icon set and >>> standardized the "modifier" icons (save / load / import / >>> export / new / etc) as they all had different style / >>> shape / color. >>> >>> e.g. >>> >>> <Selection_012.png> >>> >>> On Mon, Jan 8, 2018 at 7:56 AM, Wayne >>> Stambaugh <stambau...@gmail.com >>> <mailto:stambau...@gmail.com>> wrote: >>> >>> I see some poorly stacked books in these images as >>> well and all of which >>> are way to large to be toolbar and menu icons. As I >>> said, if you can >>> pull if off then I'm fine with it. >>> >>> On 01/07/2018 03:51 PM, Andrey Kuznetsov wrote: >>> > Hi Wayne, >>> > >>> > The problem I had with the library icon is that there are >>> only 2 books, >>> > and a ruler, that's what it looks like to me, and the 2 >>> books are >>> > stacked using a weird tilt angle, usually you'd expect >>> the books to be >>> > stacked straight on the left side, and the book on the >>> right to be >>> > tilted into the books on the left. It's the opposite in >>> the current icon. >>> > >>> > Plenty of book icons online to draw inspiration from, or >>> even creative >>> > commons: >>> > https://www.google.com/search?q=library+book+icon >>> <https://www.google.com/search?q=library+book+icon> >>> > <https://www.google.com/search?q=library+book+icon >>> <https://www.google.com/search?q=library+book+icon>> >>> go to images >>> > >>> > On Sun, Jan 7, 2018 at 12:45 PM, Wayne Stambaugh >>> <stambau...@gmail.com <mailto:stambau...@gmail.com> >>> > <mailto:stambau...@gmail.com >>> <mailto:stambau...@gmail.com>>> wrote: >>> > >>> > My project leader hat is getting a workout >>> today. Here is what I would >>> > like to see: >>> > >>> > Revert the libedit and modedit icons without >>> pencils since we are doing >>> > away with whole pencil idea. The original >>> blueprint concept for these >>> > icons was clever but they ended up looking a >>> bit busy and didn't really >>> > fit in with the rest of our icons. >>> > >>> > Remove the magnifying glass from the >>> appropriate icons since it is in >>> > the same vein as the pencil. >>> > >>> > Use the gerber file file extension (gbr) on the >>> gerbview icon if we must >>> > use any text. I'm still not convinced that >>> this is the best solution >>> > but I can't think of a better idea off the top >>> of my head. >>> > >>> > Please consider muting the green of the board >>> editor icon. From the >>> > images I've seen the bright green is a bit >>> harsh. Maybe a slightly >>> > darker shade of green would be better. I've >>> looked a hundreds of green >>> > PCBs in my career and I don't ever remember any >>> of them hurting my eyes. >>> > >>> > As for the library icons, I'm fine with those. >>> If you stack the books >>> > neatly, would they still look like books? I'm >>> guessing they wouldn't >>> > but if someone can come up with an orderly book >>> icon than I'm OK >>> > with that. >>> > >>> > Cheers, >>> > >>> > Wayne >>> > >>> > >>> > On 01/07/2018 01:43 PM, Andrey Kuznetsov wrote: >>> > > I think GBR might be confusing since Gerber >>> has 2 Rs, why not GRB, see >>> > > what I mean? I know it's the file extension >>> .gbr, but how many new >>> > > people will figure it out easily? I think >>> "Gerb" would be much better, >>> > > besides, the older existing icons use >>> LM2902-N, etc in the icon and >>> > > that's still readable by me on 1080p with >>> regular DPI, so Gerb would >>> > > definitely fit. >>> > > >>> > > I think 3-4 letters on the icons would >>> definitely help, like Krisoffer >>> > > suggested. >>> > > >>> > > On Sun, Jan 7, 2018 at 1:59 AM, Jeff Young >>> <j...@rokeby.ie >>> <mailto:j...@rokeby.ie> <mailto:j...@rokeby.ie >>> <mailto:j...@rokeby.ie>> >>> > > <mailto:j...@rokeby.ie >>> <mailto:j...@rokeby.ie> <mailto:j...@rokeby.ie >>> <mailto:j...@rokeby.ie>>>> wrote: >>> > > >>> > > +1 to eeschema icon changes >>> > > >>> > > +1 to reverting libedit and modedit, but with >>> no pencils >>> > > >>> > > +1 to no magnifying glass (the drill file, net >>> and BOM icons all >>> > > have three letters on them; I’m sure GBR would >>> fit on the gerber icon) >>> > > >>> > > I still think we need to change the project >>> icon in the navigation >>> > > to something similar to the New Project icons >>> (instead of the >>> > > application icon). >>> > > >>> > > Kudos to Oliver for spear-heading this. >>> > > >>> > > Cheers, >>> > > Jeff. >>> > > >>> > > >>> > >> On 7 Jan 2018, at 08:32, Andrey Kuznetsov >>> <kandre...@gmail.com >>> <mailto:kandre...@gmail.com> <mailto:kandre...@gmail.com >>> <mailto:kandre...@gmail.com>> >>> > >> <mailto:kandre...@gmail.com >>> <mailto:kandre...@gmail.com> <mailto:kandre...@gmail.com >>> <mailto:kandre...@gmail.com>>>> wrote: >>> > >> >>> > >> I agree, no pencils, no magnifying glass. >>> > >> >>> > >> By the way, anyone else thinks the .lib file >>> icons in the >>> > >> navigation looks weird? If it's meant to look >>> like a few stacked >>> > >> books, why are they tilted in weird directions? >>> > >> >>> > >> On Sun, Jan 7, 2018 at 12:26 AM, Simon Wells >>> <swel...@gmail.com >>> <mailto:swel...@gmail.com> <mailto:swel...@gmail.com >>> <mailto:swel...@gmail.com>> >>> > >> <mailto:swel...@gmail.com >>> <mailto:swel...@gmail.com> <mailto:swel...@gmail.com >>> <mailto:swel...@gmail.com>>>> wrote: >>> > >> >>> > >> if the modedit/libedit icons are to be >>> reverted then i believe >>> > >> the pencils should be removed, seeing as >>> they were used to >>> > >> portray edit i believe but now that >>> pcbnew/eeschema don’t have >>> > >> them they just seem odd >>> > >> >>> > >>> On 7/01/2018, at 2:28 PM, Nick Østergaard >>> <oe.n...@gmail.com >>> <mailto:oe.n...@gmail.com> <mailto:oe.n...@gmail.com >>> <mailto:oe.n...@gmail.com>> >>> > >>> <mailto:oe.n...@gmail.com >>> <mailto:oe.n...@gmail.com> <mailto:oe.n...@gmail.com >>> <mailto:oe.n...@gmail.com>>>> wrote: >>> > >>> >>> > >>> I have been intending to revert the >>> annotate icon in eeschema >>> > >>> to the old one, which made much more >>> sense to me thatn the >>> > >>> current one. >>> > >>> >>> > >>> 2018-01-07 1:24 GMT+01:00 Oliver Walters >>> > >>> <oliver.henry.walt...@gmail.com >>> <mailto:oliver.henry.walt...@gmail.com> >>> <mailto:oliver.henry.walt...@gmail.com >>> <mailto:oliver.henry.walt...@gmail.com>> >>> > >>> >>> <mailto:oliver.henry.walt...@gmail.com >>> <mailto:oliver.henry.walt...@gmail.com> >>> > <mailto:oliver.henry.walt...@gmail.com >>> <mailto:oliver.henry.walt...@gmail.com>>>>: >>> > >>> >>> > >>> I have attached a patchset which >>> performs the following: >>> > >>> >>> > >>> 1. Revert libedit icon to previous >>> version >>> > >>> 2. Revert modedit icon to previous >>> version >>> > >>> 3. Updates pcbnew icon to look more >>> like a PCB >>> > >>> 4. Update colors of eeschema icon >>> > >>> 5. Various (almost imperceptible) >>> tweaks to a number of >>> > >>> icons to fix graphic alignment issues >>> > >>> >>> > >>> Here is a screenshot of the updated >>> icons: >>> > >>> >>> > >>> >>> > >>> <Selection_010.png> >>> > >>> >>> > >>> >>> > >>> <Selection_009.png> >>> > >>> >>> > >>> On Sun, Jan 7, 2018 at 8:34 AM, >>> Oliver Walters >>> > >>> <oliver.henry.walt...@gmail.com >>> <mailto:oliver.henry.walt...@gmail.com> >>> <mailto:oliver.henry.walt...@gmail.com >>> <mailto:oliver.henry.walt...@gmail.com>> >>> > >>> <mailto:oliver.henry.walt...@gmail.com >>> <mailto:oliver.henry.walt...@gmail.com> >>> > <mailto:oliver.henry.walt...@gmail.com >>> <mailto:oliver.henry.walt...@gmail.com>>>> wrote: >>> > >>> >>> > >>> On 7 Jan 2018 05:04, "Chris >>> Pavlina" >>> > >>> <pavlina.ch...@gmail.com >>> <mailto:pavlina.ch...@gmail.com> >>> <mailto:pavlina.ch...@gmail.com >>> <mailto:pavlina.ch...@gmail.com>> >>> > >>> >>> <mailto:pavlina.ch...@gmail.com >>> <mailto:pavlina.ch...@gmail.com> >>> > <mailto:pavlina.ch...@gmail.com >>> <mailto:pavlina.ch...@gmail.com>>>> wrote: >>> > >>> >>> > >>> I wish we had something >>> resembling a policy for >>> > >>> icons. It seems like >>> > >>> someone always wants to >>> change them. We had >>> > >>> decent icons for these >>> > >>> _before_, and then >>> someone submitted new ones, >>> > >>> and they were accepted >>> > >>> because... I don't >>> know? Many of the new icons >>> > >>> are really ambiguous and >>> > >>> kind of useless. >>> Shouldn't have been merged. >>> > >>> >>> > >>> >>> > >>> This is why I'm pushing for >>> *a* change and not *my* >>> > >>> change, I remember how the >>> argument went last time, >>> > >>> before they were silently >>> merged. >>> > >>> >>> > >>> I also note that there is a >>> lack of consistency >>> > >>> between similar icons. e.g. >>> there are many icons >>> > >>> which incorporate an arrow >>> but the style/shape >>> > of the >>> > >>> arrows varies. >>> > >>> >>> > >>> For the record, I like >>> these proposed ones. They >>> > >>> bring back the ability >>> > >>> to recognize them at a >>> glance. >>> > >>> >>> > >>> On Sat, Jan 06, 2018 at >>> 05:52:49PM +0000, >>> > >>> kristoffer Ödmark wrote: >>> > >>> > I would love to see >>> improved icons, I still >>> > >>> never get used to them >>> so i read >>> > >>> > the tooltip, newer >>> know which one is pcb and >>> > >>> which one is module editor. >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > Luckily most of the >>> time I only need to double >>> > >>> click the kicad_pcb file >>> > >>> > anyway :) >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > On 2018-01-06 15:08, >>> Nick Østergaard wrote: >>> > >>> > > 2018-01-06 14:15 >>> GMT+01:00 Jeff Young >>> > >>> <j...@rokeby.ie >>> <mailto:j...@rokeby.ie> <mailto:j...@rokeby.ie >>> <mailto:j...@rokeby.ie>> >>> > <mailto:j...@rokeby.ie >>> <mailto:j...@rokeby.ie> <mailto:j...@rokeby.ie >>> <mailto:j...@rokeby.ie>>> >>> > >>> > > >>> <mailto:j...@rokeby.ie <mailto:j...@rokeby.ie> >>> > <mailto:j...@rokeby.ie <mailto:j...@rokeby.ie>> >>> <mailto:j...@rokeby.ie <mailto:j...@rokeby.ie> >>> > <mailto:j...@rokeby.ie <mailto:j...@rokeby.ie>>>>>: >>> > >>> > > >>> > >>> > > +1 >>> > >>> > > >>> > >>> > > And I like >>> Oliver’s proposed icons. I’d >>> > >>> suggest two further >>> > >>> > > changes though: >>> > >>> > > >>> > >>> > > 1) The >>> schematic icon (which Oliver >>> > >>> didn’t change) should >>> really >>> > >>> > > use the default >>> colours (dark red >>> > >>> symbols, green wires). >>> Then >>> > >>> > > there’s a >>> stronger tie-in with the >>> > >>> libedit icon. >>> > >>> > > >>> > >>> > > 2) I think I’d >>> drop the dimensions from >>> > >>> the modedit icon, and >>> > >>> > > change the pad >>> colour to the default >>> > >>> (yellow). >>> > >>> > > >>> > >>> > > >>> > >>> > > The default pad >>> color is not yellow, that is >>> > >>> only what you see for THT >>> > >>> > > pads. Default pad >>> color is green for bottom >>> > >>> and red for top copper >>> > >>> > > >>> > >>> > > >>> > >>> > > 3) Projects >>> should use the current New >>> > >>> Project icon, rather than >>> > >>> > > the application >>> icon. >>> > >>> > > >>> > >>> > > >>> > >>> > > I have considered >>> to submit a patch for this >>> > >>> for some time, but I guess >>> > >>> > > it is an appropiate >>> time to do this with a >>> > >>> major version bump. >>> > >>> > > >>> > >>> > > >>> > >>> > > 4) Both the New >>> Project and New Project >>> > >>> from Template icons should >>> > >>> > > get yellow >>> “new” star. >>> > >>> > > >>> > >>> > > 5) New >>> Footprint in modedit also needs >>> > >>> the star, and the star on >>> > >>> > > New Symbol in >>> libedit made more >>> > prominent. >>> > >>> > > >>> > >>> > > Cheers, >>> > >>> > > Jeff. >>> > >>> > > >>> > >>> > > >>> > >>> > > > On 6 Jan >>> 2018, at 12:30, Oliver >>> > Walters >>> > >>> > > > >>> <oliver.henry.walt...@gmail.com >>> <mailto:oliver.henry.walt...@gmail.com> >>> > <mailto:oliver.henry.walt...@gmail.com >>> <mailto:oliver.henry.walt...@gmail.com>> >>> > >>> >>> <mailto:oliver.henry.walt...@gmail.com >>> <mailto:oliver.henry.walt...@gmail.com> >>> > <mailto:oliver.henry.walt...@gmail.com >>> <mailto:oliver.henry.walt...@gmail.com>>> >>> > >>> > > > >>> > <mailto:oliver.henry.walt...@gmail.com >>> <mailto:oliver.henry.walt...@gmail.com> >>> > <mailto:oliver.henry.walt...@gmail.com >>> <mailto:oliver.henry.walt...@gmail.com>> >>> > >>> >>> <mailto:oliver.henry.walt...@gmail.com >>> <mailto:oliver.henry.walt...@gmail.com> >>> > <mailto:oliver.henry.walt...@gmail.com >>> <mailto:oliver.henry.walt...@gmail.com>>>>> wrote: >>> > >>> > > > >>> > >>> > > > I think there >>> is a need to tweak the >>> > >>> libedit and modedit icons, >>> > >>> > > > as identified >>> below: >>> > >>> > > > >>> > >>> > > > >>> <Selection_006.png> >>> > >>> > > > >>> > >>> > > > >>> <Selection_007.png> >>> > >>> > > > >>> > >>> > > > 1. The blue >>> 'textured' background is >>> > >>> out of place with the other >>> > >>> > > > icons >>> > >>> > > > 2. They are >>> very cluttered and >>> > hard to read >>> > >>> > > > 3. Weirdly >>> specific callout of >>> > >>> dimensions and part >>> names (out of >>> > >>> > > > character >>> with other icons) >>> > >>> > > > >>> > >>> > > > Further, I >>> think that the pcbnew icon >>> > >>> could be adjusted slightly >>> > >>> > > > to make it >>> look a bit more like a PCB >>> > >>> > > > >>> > >>> > > > Even as >>> someone who uses KiCad on a >>> > >>> regular basis I find myself >>> > >>> > > > double >>> checking which icon I am about >>> > >>> to click on (and still >>> > >>> > > > getting it >>> wrong half of the time). >>> > >>> > > > >>> > >>> > > > Below is a >>> /**suggestion**/ of some >>> > >>> improvements. I am not >>> trying >>> > >>> > > > to back my >>> own horse here, I'd be >>> > happy >>> > >>> for anyone else to >>> > >>> > > > suggest a >>> better design for any of >>> > >>> these. But I feel that >>> > >>> > > > changing >>> these icons would be a good >>> > >>> improvement to make before >>> > >>> > > > the v5 >>> release. 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