The same settings that were set during your first startup currently, but
behind the scenes, a wizard would just give you the option of choosing,
or going with the "default"
On 2017-12-31 23:11, Simon Wells wrote:
the big problem i have with setup wizards is it is not always obvious
which options will be or were set by the setup dialog
Simon
On 1/01/2018, at 11:08 AM, Kristoffer Ödmark
<kristofferodmar...@gmail.com <mailto:kristofferodmar...@gmail.com>>
wrote:
There is still some functionality in it that is missing from what I
gather.
I do like the idea that just having an "enable hw acceleration"
button or switch in the nagdialog, it feels proffessional, and most
people will try it i think.
Also, these problems seems like there could be some benefit of having
a setup wizard, IE a series of nagdialogs that is only run once, and
can be reenabled when new user choices are mandated( download
libraries, dark/light theme, standard projects folder,
hardware/software rendering)
I think changing so that the only option is to run with or without HW
acceleration should be a good goal for v6, along with _maybe_ having
a setup wizard.
-Kristoffer
On 12/31/2017 07:09 PM, Jon Evans wrote:
Do we actually need the legacy canvas anymore? I know we need the
code in
it for printing, but do we need the option to render the UI in
legacy mode
or could we hide that in some place less prominent than the view
menu? It
would be a lot less confusing if the only choice was between hardware
acceleration or not.
On Dec 31, 2017 13:07, "Jon Evans" <cdaw...@gmail.com
<mailto:cdaw...@gmail.com>> wrote:
How about "Modern" instead of GAL for user-facing stuff?
"Legacy"
"Modern (Accelerated)"
"Modern (Fallback)"
On Dec 31, 2017 12:38, "Nick Østergaard" <oe.n...@gmail.com
<mailto:oe.n...@gmail.com>> wrote:
I don't think the term standard for Cairo is good. It is better to
call
it fallback or faillsafe.
Calling it standard gives the impression that this is what they should
choose, but really we want them to select OpenGL.
Den 31. dec. 2017 18.12 <20%2017%2018%2012> skrev "Wayne Stambaugh" <
stambau...@gmail.com <mailto:stambau...@gmail.com>>:
Looks good to me.
On 12/31/2017 12:04 PM, Jon Evans wrote:
How about something like this?
Inline image 1
(N.B. I agree with Andy, and think we could consider renaming the
options in the View menu to "Legacy", "Accelerated (OpenGL)" and
"Standard (Cairo)" or something like that)
-Jon
On Sun, Dec 31, 2017 at 11:40 AM, Andy Peters <de...@latke.net
<mailto:de...@latke.net>
<mailto:de...@latke.net>> wrote:
On Dec 31, 2017, at 6:49 AM, Simon Wells <swel...@gmail.com
<mailto:swel...@gmail.com>
<mailto:swel...@gmail.com>> wrote:
What about having the default set to cairo, and when the
first/once run dialog runs it talks about openGL (this goes
against you already set to GAL) but it allows a default
that even
if it crashes won’t require manually editing a configuration to
make it workable
User perspective:
The names for the canvases are “engineering terms,” that is,
something named by the developers for their own internal use but
were never renamed for the end user who might have no idea
what is
meant by “Cairo canvas” or what “GAL” stands for. I say that
because
early on I asked myself, “WTF is this ‘Cairo’ thing?”
I now understand (I think …) that Cairo and GAL implement
the same
features but the latter requires proper OpenGL hardware and
drivers,
and Cairo does not.
So perhaps better terms for these options is “Standard” and
“Accelerated (OpenGL).” Users know what OpenGL means (I
hope, it’s
nothing new). As for why a user with access to OpenGL hardware
would
not choose to use it by default? Battery life on a laptop, I
suppose, but in using Kicad for a few years now I can say I’ve
never
used the Cairo canvas at all.
-a
Simon
On 1/01/2018, at 2:48 AM, Wayne Stambaugh
<stambau...@gmail.com <mailto:stambau...@gmail.com>
<mailto:stambau...@gmail.com>> wrote:
I spite of my disdain for nagware, I'll tolerate this
under the
following conditions:
The current canvas is not already on one of the gal canvases.
If the
user is already using a gal canvas, a dialog to inform the
user
about
the gal canvas is silly.
It's a one shot dialog that never appears again.
If the gal canvas crashes, the user isn't going to have to
manually edit
a configuration file to restore the legacy canvas. This
requirement may
prevent us from setting the opengl canvas as the default
so the
solution
may not be as easy as it seems.
On 12/31/2017 07:34 AM, Jeff Young wrote:
+1 to the startup dialog idea.
I think we also need to set reasonable transparencies in the
layers so that it looks more like the default legacy canvas.
I don' think this is necessary given that the gal canvas layer
colors
and transparencies are completely user configurable but
I'm not
opposed
to a default layer color/transparency configuration that looks
more like
the legacy canvas.
On 31 Dec 2017, at 10:09, Clemens Koller <c...@embeon.de
<mailto:c...@embeon.de>
<mailto:c...@embeon.de>> wrote:
On 2017-12-31 03:53, Jon Evans wrote:
I know this would be work for someone to do and maybe I'd
offer to do it if the project leaders approve...
What about a one-time pop-up when first installing a
release
5.0 that appears if the config says the user was using
legacy
canvas, telling them about how to switch and that they
should
check it out?
-Jon
+1
An initial start-up dialog to setup the "users default"
after a
first install or after a "reset Kicad to defaults, as I
messed
something up I don't remember" seems very helpful to me. If
OpenGL might still crash in rare cases, warn the user in
advance and explain, how he can safely step back from using
OpenGL in case it doesn't work and how to file a bug
report...
Regards,
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