kdenlive-devel at lists.sourceforge.net schrieb am 19.05.03 23:49:23: > > On Monday 19 May 2003 2:25 pm, Rolf Dubitzky wrote: > > > Video/Audio (like we currently do) to simplify the timeline. However in > > > this case, I would assume that the transition of sound and video would be > > > linked together? > > > > linked yes, but they will still be different things. for any transition > > between tracks you will have to specify a video and an audio transition. Of > > course tere can be some 'default' audio transition connected to any given > > video transition, but still there will be two objects connected to a > > transition, one audio, one video. > > Ok, I see what you mean. I am wondering though, if this is more a case of > prioritising having separate video/audio tracks? At the point where you want > to perform different transitions on video and audio, I wonder if it is less > confusing to treat them separately. > > Either way, I think the two transitions would be "merged" into one for the > timeline, and treated as a super video-audio transition in which you can > change the two transitions in the same way that you can change video/audio > codecs separately.
Hhhmmm .... tell me if I'm wrong guys, but I think think it get's more and more confusing, because there are more and more sort of transitions like Video transition, audio transition, super transition, ...... I'm not sure if I was able to make it clear enough what I wanted when I was talking about "having a build-in transition for every clip"? .... probably not ;-)) My idea was to enhance the clip edges functionallity. Right now the clip edges performimg a simple "cut", when two clips snap together. And user can easily change the cut point by moving the clip edges. So why not simply moving the upper corners of a clip inside to create a slope edge. If Kdenlive detect an overlapping clip, then it could automatically create a linear transition. Isn't that pretty easy? > > Anoter thing is, even if you treat audio separet from video, the two tracks > > should still be locked (at least per default) so that if you move the audio > > part, the video gets moved synchronously. > > Of course :-) though there should also be the option to unlock them so that > you can use them asynchronously ;-) Sure. So, just to continue the upper example, when video and audio are unlocked and user moved the upper corner of the audio clip only, Kdenlive will create just a transition of both rollover audio clips. > > > I think that one addition that should be made to the transition picture > > > is that there should not necessarily be only a single variable that > > > changes within a transition - if we assume an audio/visual track for the > > > moment, and a crossfade transition, video could have it's own crossfade > > > 'red line', and audio could have it's own crossfade line. > > > > sure. in the separate dialog you can handle as many variables as you want, > > and there will be probably not only variables of type "double", which can > > be visualized as a "red line", but also of type "Color", "Point", "Box", > > etc.... > > You know, I'm itching to write the colour keyframe widget/track, but there's > so much other stuff that needs to be done first :-) Again, the edge is still there; can you use it to store the parameters? So later on it could be pictured as a curve when user don't want a linear transition, or he can change it to have a wipe effect or something alse. Furthermore ... incorporating a third track into a transition could be easy too, because user just have to put a clip on top of the timeline, move the upper left corner to the right side to create a slope edge. In this case it would be helpful to set the transparency of this clip by simply moving the top side of that clip down? I also still thinking about to handle such stuff without using the mouse: So if there would be a way to select a border of a clip, or of some clips, then it would be pretty easy to do some edit operations by using the arrows. Just some examples: [moving cut point between two snapped clips] Select the edges that snapped together and press the left arrow to move the cut one frame to left. [creating a fade] Select edge(s) user want to have a fade in/out , hold a key down so that Kdenlive is informed to create a fade action (maybe the 'ALT' key ?), and press the appropriate arrow in addition to create a fade of one frame. [creating a transition between two clips (maybe on different tracks)] Select the edges that should be involved into this transition and perform the 'transition-action' to create a transition between this clips. Please guys, tell me if I'm telling senseless stuff here, do I will stop my thoughts on that! greretings Reinhard
