https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=358990

--- Comment #29 from Roman Bysh <rb03...@gmail.com> ---
(In reply to Eike Hein from comment #25)
> > At this moment in time, in order to place icons in the order that I like, I 
> > have to delete them all and then place them one at a time.
> 
> I'm not sure I follow the "I have to delete stuff" thing - Folder View on
> the desktop supports dragging icons into any position on the grid at any
> time. This ticket is about wanting to move icons outside the grid. Which is
> currently not supported, but certainly a legitimate wish.
> 
> 
> > You had this superb folder plasmoid that allowed many features and crippled 
> > it for Plasma 5.
> 
> No, we had a folder plasmoid with many, many bugs that had been mostly
> unmaintained for two years prior, and was written against a Qt 4 API that
> can't be used in Plasma 5, turning the entire code obsolete. The Plasma 5
> version shares no code with the KDE 4 version. It's a full rewrite. Off-grid
> positioning wasn't removed, it was not implemented.
> 
> 
> > Is this what the devs decided what was best for users coming from KDE4? 
> 
> Yes, don't you know that all we do all day is sit around and think how we
> could hurt our users best? That's totally my first thought when I get up in
> the morning. I went into open source and spent 11 years hacking on KDE
> (mostly for free, for many thousands of hours more than you probably did)
> because I'm a real meanie, and making software that doesn't cost any money
> seemed the most effective way to make the world a bit worse, release by
> release.
> 
> There's totally never any engineering reasons in play. Like, say, finite
> manpower, or finite hours in the day, or deciding on a core feature set that
> can be supported at a higher quality level than before. Every time there's
> change you personally don't like it's because that was the goal. Totes.
> 
> Do you feel patronized or pissed off by the above two paragraphs? That's how
> others feel when you write your implicitly antagonistic fight-the-powa
> stuff, too. Think about that next time you think it's cute to make that your
> narrative, or think shaming/guilting people is a good way to motivate them
> into doing what you want. 
> 
> 
> > We have thousands of users that are very disappointed.
> 
> Who's we, and what's the raw data backing that statement? That would
> actually be really helpful for triage.

Sorry about the rant. It was never my intention to shame or guilt anyone into
working on their code. After reading the comment on a new day, I realize that
my comments were way out of line. 
I did not know that the code was that messed up from KDE4.

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