Martin wrote: "As for a paid support option, I can say that Refractions Research is fully ready and capable of providing OpenJUMP development and support. We are already working with OpenJUMP on a project to add stereoscopic visualization. We have a team of 20 highly skilled IT development staff, and obviously are specialists in all aspects of spatial data processing. We'd be happy to discuss this with anyone interested - just contact me."
I'm going to chat with the owner of my company about this next week. If I can get his tentative support for this plan I'll put together a simple RFP and will send it to Martin and others that are interested. My original budget of $3,000 to $6,000 was based on the cost of a single software license for something like ArcEditor or AutoCAD Map. But I'm going to argue that we really need to look at the total cost of ownership, including my time to learn a new software package and a new software package API/programming language. That could easily double the amount I was first thinking of. SS On Fri, Oct 31, 2008 at 11:35 AM, Martin Davis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Agreed on both points, Larry. I'm not sure how best to track usage. > And even if it was tracked, it would still require a marketing > department to follow up and try and beat some business out of the users, > wouldn't it? > > As for a paid support option, I can say that Refractions Research is > fully ready and capable of providing OpenJUMP development and support. > We are already working with OpenJUMP on a project to add stereoscopic > visualization. We have a team of 20 highly skilled IT development > staff, and obviously are specialists in all aspects of spatial data > processing. We'd be happy to discuss this with anyone interested - just > contact me. > > Martin > > Larry Becker wrote: >> It sounds like Landon was already on the same page as what I >> suggested. What I took away from this discussion is that in order for >> OpenJump to be commercially viable, there would need to be a paid >> support option. While this may sound like an opportunity for some >> enterprising people to start a GIS company, it is hard to make the >> business case that there is any demand for this. Of course, it is a >> chicken and egg problem. No support until there is demand, and no >> demand until there is support. >> >> What we need is a way to track the number of users that use OpenJump >> in their business. This is just not possible with the sourceforge >> download system. Voluntary registration is the only option that I can >> think of besides putting some sort of tracking system in the software >> itself that registers for automatic updates or some such. >> >> regards, >> Larry >> >> On Fri, Oct 31, 2008 at 1:11 PM, Martin Davis <[EMAIL PROTECTED] >> <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> wrote: >> >> While I all in favour of see funding available to improve OpenJUMP, I >> think I agree with Larry - that's an ambitious list of features, which >> might take more than the proposed budget to implement effectively. >> (They're all solid real-world use cases, though, which would be >> good to >> add to the OJ roadmap). >> >> Larry's idea of a mixed environment is a good one, I think. Have you >> thought about looking at Manifold? It's a very inexpensive, >> high-function GIS platform. >> >> Sunburned Surveyor wrote: >> > The company that I work for (KSN Inc.) has a small sanitary district >> > that has been our client for several decades. Because of some new >> > government regulations they have to prepare base map and >> inventory of >> > their entire sanitary system. My company beleives this is a good >> > opportunity to implement a small and simple GIS for the district. My >> > boss is currently having me look into different proprietary software >> > systems that we might use to implement the GIS. >> > >> > However, after taking a look at the proprietary software that is >> > available in our price range, I really beleive that OpenJUMP is a >> > viable candidate. Here is the problem: I don't have time with my >> other >> > work responisiblities to provide dedicated programming services for >> > OpenJUMP when these will be needed by the client (and they will be >> > needed). I can't go to my boss to suggest OpenJUMP as a possible >> > software package for the GIS implementation unless I have a third >> > party organization that would be willing to work on customization of >> > OpenJUMP to meet the client's needs. I'm not sure if we have any >> > organizations involved in our community that would be interested in >> > this type of work. (I know Larry Becker does something like this, >> > Martin Davis has his little business, and I think the deegree >> Project >> > also does this type of work.) If I can't find a company that is >> > interested in this type of work I'll have to fall back on a >> > proprietary solution. >> > >> > If we do have some companies that might be interested, I will >> prepare >> > a short request-for-proposal. Here is what I am thinking I'll need >> > out-of-the-gate: >> > >> > - Some enhanced SVG export abilities. I'm not talking about using >> > Batik. I need something that is more precise and that maps the >> > transition from OpenJUMP's task coordinate system to the SVG >> > coordinate system in a predictable and repeatable fashion. I've >> > already started fleshing some of this code out, but it isn't >> complete. >> > I need to be able to get features from OpenJUMP exported as SVG >> > tailored for Inkscape for map production. >> > >> > - Better support for DXF import and export. My company works >> with CAD >> > data almost exclusively, and this project would be dealing with >> a lot >> > of CAD data. I need a reliable DXF import and export plug-in. >> > Something could probably be built using the existing DXF >> plug-ins, but >> > it would need a little tweaking. I'd really only bei nterested >> in the >> > following CAD entities: Lines, LWPolylines, Points, and Text. >> However, >> > I'd like to see an underlying DXF parser that makes other drawing >> > entities available to the client API. >> > >> > - Support for external tables. I don't want to use a database >> here. I >> > just want to be able to view, manipulate, and query tabular data >> in an >> > external file. I'd probably want to use CSV files, although I'd be >> > open to an implementation that used binary files. >> > >> > I'm thinking I'll have a ballpark budget of $3,000 to $6,000, >> which is >> > what it would cost to license a proprietary solution for the first >> > year. I could likely make a similar amount available in subsequent >> > years for additional development work. As part of the proposal I'd >> > also like an approximate hourly rate for bug-fixing. >> > >> > All and any code developed under this project would be released >> under >> > the GPL or LGPL, and the developing company could maintain the >> > copyright. If I can make this implementation successful, there would >> > be potential for additional business with other KSN clients. >> > >> > I think this is a great opportunity to get some paid development >> > contributed back to the OpenJUMP community. I hope we have an >> > organization that is interested. I wish I had the time to do the >> work >> > myself. >> > >> > Please let me know if you'd be interesetd in responding to an RFP >> > similar to the one I describe above. Or, if you are interested in >> > cost-sharing the development of some of the improvements for >> OpenJUMP >> > that I describe above, let me know that as well. >> > >> > The Sunburned Surveyor >> > >> > >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> > This SF.Net email is sponsored by the Moblin Your Move >> Developer's challenge >> > Build the coolest Linux based applications with Moblin SDK & win >> great prizes >> > Grand prize is a trip for two to an Open Source event anywhere >> in the world >> > http://moblin-contest.org/redirect.php?banner_id=100&url=/ >> <http://moblin-contest.org/redirect.php?banner_id=100&url=/> >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Jump-pilot-devel mailing list >> > Jump-pilot-devel@lists.sourceforge.net >> <mailto:Jump-pilot-devel@lists.sourceforge.net> >> > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/jump-pilot-devel >> > >> > >> >> -- >> Martin Davis >> Senior Technical Architect >> Refractions Research, Inc. >> (250) 383-3022 >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> This SF.Net email is sponsored by the Moblin Your Move Developer's >> challenge >> Build the coolest Linux based applications with Moblin SDK & win >> great prizes >> Grand prize is a trip for two to an Open Source event anywhere in >> the world >> http://moblin-contest.org/redirect.php?banner_id=100&url=/ >> <http://moblin-contest.org/redirect.php?banner_id=100&url=/> >> _______________________________________________ >> Jump-pilot-devel mailing list >> Jump-pilot-devel@lists.sourceforge.net >> <mailto:Jump-pilot-devel@lists.sourceforge.net> >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/jump-pilot-devel >> >> >> >> >> -- >> http://amusingprogrammer.blogspot.com/ >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> This SF.Net email is sponsored by the Moblin Your Move Developer's challenge >> Build the coolest Linux based applications with Moblin SDK & win great prizes >> Grand prize is a trip for two to an Open Source event anywhere in the world >> http://moblin-contest.org/redirect.php?banner_id=100&url=/ >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Jump-pilot-devel mailing list >> Jump-pilot-devel@lists.sourceforge.net >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/jump-pilot-devel >> > > -- > Martin Davis > Senior Technical Architect > Refractions Research, Inc. > (250) 383-3022 > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > This SF.Net email is sponsored by the Moblin Your Move Developer's challenge > Build the coolest Linux based applications with Moblin SDK & win great prizes > Grand prize is a trip for two to an Open Source event anywhere in the world > http://moblin-contest.org/redirect.php?banner_id=100&url=/ > _______________________________________________ > Jump-pilot-devel mailing list > Jump-pilot-devel@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/jump-pilot-devel > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This SF.Net email is sponsored by the Moblin Your Move Developer's challenge Build the coolest Linux based applications with Moblin SDK & win great prizes Grand prize is a trip for two to an Open Source event anywhere in the world http://moblin-contest.org/redirect.php?banner_id=100&url=/ _______________________________________________ Jump-pilot-devel mailing list Jump-pilot-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/jump-pilot-devel
