I think we could benefit from removing the details of this discussion and dealing with a more abstract case. The real question seems to be centered on the inclusion of third party libraries required to run a plug-in.
I think a simple solution, already pointed out to me by Paul, is this: Plug-In developers keep third-party libraries requried by their plug-in in a sub-folder of the OpenJUMP lib folder that is specific to their plug-in. (In my case I will also have a folder for libraries, like Jakarta Commons, that are used by more than one of my plug-ins.) This allows the user to decide if the benefit of a plug-in is worth the size of a required library. We don't restrict library usage by plug-in developers, and we don't bloat the size of OpenJUMP's lib folder. I only see the above policy being a problem in the following two (2) situations: [1] A plug-in developer wants to use a library that is also used by another plug-in developer. We don't want to store the same library twice, do we? That would be just silly, unless the two libraries were of incompatible versions. In this scenario I think we could create a /lib/common folder. We could keep libraries used by more than one third-party plug-in here. The /lib folder can be kept only for libraries used in the core. [2] We decide to integrate a plug-in into the core. I don't personally see the benefit of doing this, but I know others don't agree with me on this point. If we do decide to include a third-party plug-in in the core we have to weigh the cost of any third-party libraries that plug-in uses. I think this would have to be reviewed on a case-by-case basis. The Sunburned Surveyor On 11/2/07, Michaël Michaud <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi, > > As I am the one who used buoy in a plugin (simple query, which has been > introduced in the core distribution at some point), I'll give again my > feeling : > Buoy is a great UI toolkit. I'm not an expert who will assure it is > better than all other ones, but as far as I can remember, it offers a > clear interface, a clever way to manage events, and last but not least, > the author of buoy built AOI on top of buoy, a great desktop application > (rank 37 on sourceforge) which is somehow comparable to OpenJUMP, with a > very nice user interface. > That's why I encourage people interested in UI design to experiment this > library. > > That said, I agree with Paul. Using third party libraries for OJ plugins > should be avoided as much as possible. > Such a UI toolkit is worthwhile if it is used from the beginning, or at > least for a whole bunch of plugins. > Actually, with only one plugin using buoy, I admit that removing the > dependency would be a good option. > > So my advice is : > - try buoy and make your own opinion > - don't use buoy for OJ plugins except if you have a big project > including many plugins or a plan for a complete redesign of OJ. > > my 2 cents > > Michaël > > > > > Paul Austin a écrit : > > > Eric, > > > > Please try using regular Swing, I'd like to remove Buoy from Open JUMP > > as I see no real advantage over the functionality offered by swing. > > Sure it maybe slightly easier for developers who aren't used to swing. > > But it's just another API that people will have to learn. > > > > Paul > > > > Eric Lemesre wrote: > > > >> > >> I would try it this week. > >> > >> Eric > >> > >> 2007/10/31, Stefan Steiniger <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > >> <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>>: > >> > >> because it is easier to use for non GUI-experts? > >> > >> just a thought, and noted here: > >> > >> http://buoy.sourceforge.net/AboutBuoy.html > >> > >> otherwise, why should michael have used it. > >> but if somebody is able to remove the buoy code from OJ... i > >> would not > >> object ;) > >> > >> stefan > >> > >> Paul Austin schrieb: > >> > We have to ask the question what does Buoy give us over using > >> regular Swing? > >> > > >> > Paul > >> > > >> > Stefan Steiniger wrote: > >> >> but as I said, > >> >> > >> >> buoy: http://www.buoybuilder.com/ is already used ;) > >> >> > >> >> stefan > >> >> > >> >> Eric Lemesre schrieb: > >> >> > >> >>> Hi all, > >> >>> > >> >>> Thank for this precision. > >> >>> > >> >>> Eric > >> >>> > >> >>> 2007/10/30, Paul Austin < [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >> <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>>: > >> >>> > >> >>>> Eric, > >> >>>> > >> >>>> Have a look at the SpringLayout manager from Swing. This is > >> a very > >> >>>> flexible layout manager. There is a SwingUtilities class > >> that will allow > >> >>>> you to make a basic grid layout in the JUMP code base. > >> >>>> > >> >>>> Unless there is something needed in a 3rd party GUI library > >> try and > >> >>>> stick with standard Swing components. Otherwise we'll end up > >> with having > >> >>>> a bloated download with all the 3rd party libraries. > >> >>>> > >> >>>> Paul > >> >>>> > >> >>>> Stefan Steiniger wrote: > >> >>>> > >> >>>>> There is no best-practice. > >> >>>>> actually you may have a look on buoy (widget) used already > >> in OJ for > >> >>>>> Simple Query. > >> >>>>> > >> >>>>> stefan > >> >>>>> > >> >>>>> Eric Lemesre schrieb: > >> >>>>> > >> >>>>> > >> >>>>>> Hi landon, > >> >>>>>> > >> >>>>>> I have no problem with GUI Builder. > >> >>>>>> > >> >>>>>> I want build a new GUI for PostGISPlugin. > >> >>>>>> And i dont know what is the best practice about GUI in > >> openjump. > >> >>>>>> > >> >>>>>> Eric > >> >>>>>> > >> >>>>>> 2007/10/29, Sunburned Surveyor > >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>>: > >> >>>>>> > >> >>>>>> > >> >>>>>>> Eric, > >> >>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>> What problem where you having with the GUI builders? > >> >>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>> Perhaps I can walk you through some rough spots. Also, it > >> is good to > >> >>>>>>> remember that most IDE's like Eclipse or Netbeans have a > >> mialing list > >> >>>>>>> or forum that you can post questions on. > >> >>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>> The Sunburned Surveyor > >> >>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>> On 10/26/07, Eric Lemesre < [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >> <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> wrote: > >> >>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>> Hi jon, > >> >>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>> Sorry for long time without response. > >> >>>>>>>> what do you use for build GUI for openjump? > >> >>>>>>>> I try VEP (Eclipse plugin for calisto - V3.2) - > >> >>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>> http://www.eclipse.org/vep/ > >> >>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>> I try Jigloo GUI builder - > >> >>>>>>>> http://www.cloudgarden.com/jigloo/ > >> >>>>>>>> NetBean with mantis but I don''t understand very well > >> How import > >> >>>>>>>> > >> >>>> eclipse > >> >>>> > >> >>>>>>>> project > >> >>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>> Eric > >> >>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>> 2007/10/20, Jonathan Aquino <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > >> <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>>: > >> >>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>> Hi Eric - Interesting ideas! I was just going to leave > >> it as a > >> >>>>>>>>> > >> >>>> simple > >> >>>> > >> >>>>>>>> tool. I agree with you that Eclipse has a great diff > >> view. Perhaps > >> >>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>> someone > >> >>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>> can take what I've done and use it as the start of an > >> Eclipse plugin. > >> >>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>> Jon > >> >>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>> ________________________________ > >> >>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >> <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >> >>>>>>>> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > >> <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>] On > >> >>>>>>>> Behalf Of Eric Lemesre > >> >>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>> Sent: Friday, October 19, 2007 2:36 AM > >> >>>>>>>>> To: List for discussion of JPP development and use. > >> >>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [JPP-Devel] Subversion Time-Lapse View > >> >>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>> Hi jon, > >> >>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>> Nice tool. > >> >>>>>>>>> Do you have planed to add this tools as Eclipse plugin? > >> >>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>> And is it lot of work to add on a bar at left or rigth > >> side to view > >> >>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>> where > >> >>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>> is a diff? > >> >>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>> Eric > >> >>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>> 2007/10/19, Jonathan Aquino <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > >> <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>>: > >> >>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>> Useful tool for Subversion: > >> >>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>> SVN Time-Lapse View > >> >>>>>>>>>> http://code.google.com/p/svn-time-lapse-view/ > >> >>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>> Lets you examine the history of a file by dragging a > >> slider. Diffs > >> >>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>> are > >> >>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>> highlighted in blue. If you want to know who changed a > >> line, when, > >> >>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>> and > >> >>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>> for > >> >>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>> what reason, this is useful. > >> >>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>> For example, try it with > >> >>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>> > >> > >> https://jump-pilot.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/jump-pilot/core/trunk/src/com > >> >>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>> /vividsolutions/jump/workbench/JUMPWorkbench.java > >> >>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>> Jon > >> >>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>> > >> > >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > >> >>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>> This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. > >> >>>>>>>>>> Still grepping through log files to find problems? 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