>>The question is this: To what degree should society as a whole a) take >>responsibility for and b) be allowed to interfere in the raising of >>peoples children. When did it become society's responsibility to take care of everybodies childrens. IMHO (and yes, I know it is callous), but if parents are not able to take care of their kids, they should not be allowed to ever have kids. It is not my responsibility to a)provide for b)discipline c)listen to or deal with kids that the parents are not willing to take an active part in making sure that the children grow up to be a productive part of society. I have to wonder if this movement that outlawed corporal punishment in the schools and the parents that believe that children should never be spanked have ever thought about the fact that we did not have many of the problems that are evident in schools nowadays before that time (if I even thought about taking a gun to school, my dad would have knocked the living shit out of me). Yes, I agree that it can be taken too far, but I also feel whatever is neccessary (within reason) to establish discipline needs to be done. And no, Ritalin is NOT the answer.... ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com _______________________________________________ issues mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.linux.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/issues