> From: Deirdre Saoirse <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> The fact is that women PENALIZE THEMSELVES and that it is, to a large
> degree, a choice.
> From: Deirdre Saoirse <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> When someone enters and exits the job market, that means they
> need to take
> jobs that don't require constant retraining. In other words,
> high-paying
> careers in high-tech are out for those people.
Were they ever in for those people? Is it possible that some women leave
the job market because they can't get the retraining or advancement?? I
know I left a job because it was going nowhere and I've known many women who
have. Is it the women influencing the job or the job influencing the women?
> From: Deirdre Saoirse <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> On Sat, 5 Aug 2000, Christi Rockwell wrote:
>
> > The problem with these studies is they are attributing
> cause based on
> > correlations.
>
> No, actually, they don't.
>
Wonderful debate tactics... firm denial and ad hominen attack.
The facts you have stated imply a clear cause. How was this cause
determined? The easiest way to do this study would be correlational
analysis. This is the typical way I've seen studies like this done. I
could be wrong about this study in particular. I doubt it is without flaws.
A non-correlational study would, at best, give information about the
particular study group and why they took or left jobs.
[meaningless drivel snipped]
>
> From: Alice <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> On Mon, 7 Aug 2000, Deirdre Saoirse wrote:
> > Yes, however, the differences between single and married are pretty
> > conclusive. Never-married women are not at the same quality of
> > wage gap as married women. This is self-penalization.
>
> How do you mean conclusive? I'm not sure what you are referring to.
>
> There is always going to be a difference between a generic
> type of woman
> who marries and sprogs, and one who doesn't. Figures will always be
> skewed because the married woman set includes all the woman who never
> wanted a career in the first place. (Without meaning to sound really
> down on their choices just because I have difficulty
> comprehending them).
A better comparison would be mothers to non-mothers. The choice to marry
should not make a women more likely to leave the job force. The choice to
have children would. If the married women without children make the same as
the unmarried women, maybe there's something to this argument.
> From: "lou" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> As to the math and science thing, =
> women are still openly discouraged. My niece and my son both
> in grade =
> 10, same school, she had 46, he had 26. She was told to drop
> to basic =
> math, he was told to smarten up he was going to need it. She
> came to me =
> for help, I tutored her, my son didn't want the help. She
> passed, he =
> didn't. The point being, it was assumed he would need it and she =
> wouldn't.
Excellent example of what happens in schools. Even in grade schools boys
are encouraged to work harder than boys on certain topics.
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