At 22:32 30.03.00 +1000, you wrote:
>I just bought and read the book 'Does Jane Compute?'
>
>It discusses whether children are gender-biased in their use
>of computers, whether girls (and boys) 'turn off' computers and
>at what age, and what can be done about it.


I haven't read the book myself yet but a collegue has told me quite a lot
about it. 

>It concludes that there is a tendancy for girls, around the 
>early teenage years, to stop using computers by choice. They
>continue to use them for specific tasks, but stop experimenting
>and playing.

>Being (a) a book and (b) a couple of years old now, the
>information is out of date.
>Do people think this is still the case - current information 
>only please! but anecdotal is fine - and do people have any 
>suggestions?


hmm, I do reaseach within this field in Norway and it's kind of hard to
know whats really going on. For my masterthesis I was involved in a project
that studied girls at the age of 14 -16 and their use of computers. And
well, in many ways, what we found was that there was tendency among girls
to stop playing with the computer at some point and just learn the 'useful'
tasks. And a lot of them did not experiment with the computer 'cause they
were afraid that they might do somehting wrong. In my masterthesis, which
was called From Spice Girls to Cyber Girls, I focused on the girls that
were entusistic and clever users. What I did find among them was that they
had all started using a computer at an early age, had good access to
computers at home (none of them had elder brothers that occupied the
machine..) And last but not least they looked at the computer as something
they could play with. The girls became confidents userers at an early age,
were not affraid of experimenting and learned by trying out. 

Today I'm working on my phd. which is supposed to be about female
'hackers', I put hackers in brackets 'cause I'm not really looking for
hackers (there aren't a lot female hackers in Norway anyway) but girls og
females that are interersted in computing, spend a lot of time in front of
computers, are entusiastic and clever a.s.o. In many ways I find the same
here. 

What I can see from Norway is that things in many ways are about to change.
I go to computerparties, parties where computer enthusiast bring their
computers and spend time togeter. (most of the particiants are young, from
the age of 15 to 25/30. The biggest one is called The Gathering, last year
4500 ppl were participating, think it got a place in guiness book of record
as the bigges temoral network ever) ... anyway, at these parties more and
more girls are joing. ... a very positiv change. But it still looks like
the major amount of the girls do other things on the computers than some of
the boys do.... It's a lot of chatting. but at the same time, the boys
coming to these parties these day do not program and make demos as they
used to do but are mainly occupied with games like quake.

hmmm... I don't know if this made any sense. It's hard trying to give a
short version of things like this. The picture is always a lot more
complicated. ...and well the mail is not very thought through, so do not
attack me if it looks like I jump to conclusions please;) 

>As the book points out, the problem isn't just 'a shortage of
>female computer programmers'. The problem is that these girls
>will leave school and suddenly discover that 75% or more of 
>the available jobs require them to be comfortable around 
>computers.

I think the picture is changing.... ppl I talk with that work as teachers
say the girls become more an more comfortable. 

Regards
hege
>
>
>Jenn V.
>-- 
>  "We're repairing the coolant loop of a nuclear fusion reactor. 
>   This is women's work!"
>               Helix, Freefall. http://www.purrsia.com/freefall/
>
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