Because I basically sent the message twice (first time to a fictional IPSec
wg list), the authors and I have worked out the answers on the first
version of the message.  I think everything is pretty well sorted, I
believe I'm just waiting for a new version so I can send it to IETF Last
Call.  (changed to 'MUST NOT', and they explained the IANA situation, as
well as the other comments).  Super prompt, and a nice exchange.

Deb

On Sat, Nov 16, 2024 at 7:46 AM Paul Wouters <p...@nohats.ca> wrote:

>
> >
> > On Nov 16, 2024, at 12:37, Tero Kivinen <kivi...@iki.fi> wrote:
> >
> > Deb Cooley writes:
> >> Section 4.4.2:  Is there a circumstance where distributing both ESP and
> AH
> >> policies for the same set of Traffic Selectors would be sensible?  If
> not,
> >> should this be MUST NOT?
> >
> > I think this is aligning with the Cryptographic Algorithm
> > Implementation Requirements and Usage Guidance for ESP and AH RFC8221
> > which says:
> >
> > ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> > 4.  Encryption Must Be Authenticated
> > ...
> >   The last method that can be used is ESP+AH.  This method is NOT
> >   RECOMMENDED.  It is the slowest method and also takes up more octets
>
> It was NOT RECOMMENDED instead of MUST NOT because some old versions of
> raccoon did this by default. For group ike, I see no reason for to repeat
> this and MUST NOT is fine?
>
> Paul
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