CFRG had https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-cfrg-schwabe-kyber/ , 
https://bwesterb.github.io/draft-schwabe-cfrg-kyber/draft-cfrg-schwabe-kyber.html
 for Kyber, but that was for the draft00 versions of Kyber deployed in early 
TLS 1.3 codepoints. I believe the official spec for ML-KEM will be FIPS 203.


I am not sure we definately need a ML-KEM CFRG doc, although it would be 
better. We could have a normative reference to an external spec like 
RFC8422<https://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc8422> which said
> The named curves secp256r1, secp384r1, and secp521r1 are

> specified in SEC 2 
> [SECG-SEC2<https://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc8422#ref-SECG-SEC2>].  These 
> curves are also recommended in
> ANSI X9.62 
> [ANSI.X9-62.2005<https://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc8422#ref-ANSI.X9-62.2005>] 
> and FIPS 186-4 
> [FIPS.186-4<https://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc8422#ref-FIPS.186-4>].

Personally, I would prefer to have a ratified RFC like Scott. But in all 
honesty, I would not want it if it means we have to wait 2-3 years without 
codepoints in order to get a CFRG document ratified and then an IPSECME 
document ratified.


From: Paul Wouters <paul.wouters=40aiven...@dmarc.ietf.org>
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Subject: [EXTERNAL] [IPsec] Re: draft-kampanakis-ml-kem-ikev2


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On Mon, Aug 26, 2024 at 1:51 PM Scott Fluhrer (sfluhrer) 
<sfluhrer=40cisco....@dmarc.ietf.org<mailto:40cisco....@dmarc.ietf.org>> wrote:
I (and I don’t believe I am alone in this) would like to see an ML-KEM RFC for 
IKE; how can we make it happen?

From what I see, the next step (now that the authors have updated it to specify 
the final version of ML-KEM) would be having it adopted by the working group 
(and while there are a number of steps past that, I don’t know if those can 
proceed before this initial step).

Is this something that can be done before Dublin?

Is CFRG going to have an "how to use ML-KEM in IETF protocols" document, like 
it did with RFC 7748 and RFC 7539 ?

I would personally feel much better if there was such a guidance document, 
before we finalize the specification at the various protocols itself.

Paul
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