Might I ask "what problem are you attempting to solve"?

While what you're suggesting *might* be safe, I can't help but feel that 
there's a cleaner solution out there...

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Linda Dunbar <linda.dun...@futurewei.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, July 10, 2024 5:35 PM
> To: Paul Wouters <p...@nohats.ca>
> Cc: ipsec@ietf.org
> Subject: [IPsec] Re: Are there any issues of reusing IPsec key for generating
> Authentication Code?
> 
> Paul,
> 
> Thank you very much for the comment.
> Is it acceptable to use the existing IPsec keys as input to a key derivation
> function (KDF)? The KDF generates unique authentication keys that are
> cryptographically linked to the IPsec keys but not directly exposed.
> 
> Linda
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Paul Wouters <p...@nohats.ca>
> Sent: Wednesday, July 10, 2024 8:59 AM
> To: Linda Dunbar <linda.dun...@futurewei.com>
> Cc: ipsec@ietf.org
> Subject: Re: [IPsec] Are there any issues of reusing IPsec key for generating
> Authentication Code?
> 
> On Tue, 9 Jul 2024, Linda Dunbar wrote:
> 
> >  1. The IPsec tunnel itself provides a secure channel for transmitting the
> authentication keys. This ensures that the keys
> >     are protected from eavesdropping or tampering during distribution.
> >  2. Reuse the existing IPsec keys as input to a key derivation function 
> > (KDF).
> The KDF generates unique authentication keys
> >     that are cryptographically linked to the IPsec keys but not directly
> exposed. This adds a layer of protection, even if
> >     the IPsec keys are compromised.
> 
> Re-using keys for different purposes is not recommend on principle. Some
> certifications (eg FIPS) also forbid dual use of the same key(pair).
> 
> Paul
> 
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