> On Nov 29, 2019, at 2:23 PM, Michael Richardson <mcr+i...@sandelman.ca> wrote:
> 
> 
> Christian Hopps <cho...@chopps.org> wrote:
>> Additionally, I'm not sure that we should be so quick to say that the
>> IP-TFS payload would never be used outside of ESP; as was pointed out
>> by Michael using this payload does solve the PMTU issue with (IPsec)
>> tunnels, it could be re-used for this purpose outside of ESP as well.
> 
> I think that I was mis-interpreted.
> I wasn't saying that this protocol would get used outside of ESP.
> I'm saying that this protocol (with ESP) will solve the PMTU problem, and so
> make IPsec more popular.

Right, sorry, I put your meaning in parens "(Ipsec)", and I probably shouldn't 
have been trying to also point out, in the same overloaded sentence, that this 
same logic would apply to any IP-in-IP tunnel context as well. :)

Thanks,
Chris.

> Maybe that also means that being able to use it with transport mode could be
> interesting, but I think that BEET mode is more likely.
> 
> I think that having a proper IP protocol number will simplify kernel 
> implementations.
> 
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