Let me suggest a situation where perhaps I would like to bring up
an IKE_SA and not a CHILD_SA: it might be for just sending initial
contact, and perhaps even a DELETE.

I sometimes move quickly from being "outside" my IPsec gateway/firewall
(such as being on wireless), to being wired behind the gateway, where I
do not need IPsec.  The DPD doesn't kick off fast enough, and my traffic
goes to where I am no longer.  It would be nice to bring up the IKE_SA
(or... haha, resume it), just so that I can send a delete and/or
initial_contact. 

Seems like to do this, once needs to include a known-to-be-unacceptable
CHILD_SA proposal.

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]     Y'avait une poule de jammé dans l'muffler!!!!!!!!!        |  firewalls  [
]   Michael Richardson, Sandelman Software Works, Ottawa, ON    |net architect[
] m...@sandelman.ottawa.on.ca http://www.sandelman.ottawa.on.ca/ |device driver[
] panic("Just another Debian GNU/Linux using, kernel hacking, security guy"); [



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