Hi Jean,
Thx for the excellent ideas. Pls refer to comments inline.
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> > Hi Jean,
> >
> > I'm working on virtual SVM, and have some comments on the VFIO channel
> > definition.
>
> Thanks a lot for the comments, this is quite interesting to me. I just have
> some
> concerns about portability so I'm proposing a way to be slightly more generic
> below.
>
yes, portability is what need to consider.
[...]
> >> diff --git a/include/uapi/linux/vfio.h b/include/uapi/linux/vfio.h
> >> index
> >> 519eff362c1c..3fe4197a5ea0 100644
> >> --- a/include/uapi/linux/vfio.h
> >> +++ b/include/uapi/linux/vfio.h
> >> @@ -198,6 +198,7 @@ struct vfio_device_info {
> >> #define VFIO_DEVICE_FLAGS_PCI (1 << 1) /* vfio-pci device */
> >> #define VFIO_DEVICE_FLAGS_PLATFORM (1 << 2) /* vfio-platform device
> >> */
> >> #define VFIO_DEVICE_FLAGS_AMBA (1 << 3) /* vfio-amba device */
> >> +#define VFIO_DEVICE_FLAGS_SVM (1 << 4) /* Device supports
> >> bind/unbind */
> >> __u32 num_regions; /* Max region index + 1 */
> >> __u32 num_irqs; /* Max IRQ index + 1 */
> >> };
> >> @@ -409,6 +410,60 @@ struct vfio_irq_set {
> >> */
> >> #define VFIO_DEVICE_RESET _IO(VFIO_TYPE, VFIO_BASE + 11)
> >>
> >> +struct vfio_device_svm {
> >> + __u32 argsz;
> >> + __u32 flags;
> >> +#define VFIO_SVM_PASID_RELEASE_FLUSHED (1 << 0)
> >> +#define VFIO_SVM_PASID_RELEASE_CLEAN (1 << 1)
> >> + __u32 pasid;
> >> +};
> >
> > For virtual SVM work, the VFIO channel would be used to passdown guest
> > PASID tale PTR and invalidation information. And may have further
> > usage except the above.
> >
> > Here is the virtual SVM design doc which illustrates the VFIO usage.
> > https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/qemu-devel/2016-11/msg05311.html
> >
> > For the guest PASID table ptr passdown, I've following message in pseudo
> > code.
> > struct pasid_table_info {
> > __u64 ptr;
> > __u32 size;
> > };
>
> There should probably be a way to specify the table format, so that the pIOMMU
> driver can check that it recognizes the format used by the vIOMMU before
> attaching
> it. This would allow to reuse the structure for other IOMMU architectures.
> If, for
> instance, the host has an intel IOMMU and someone decides to emulate an ARM
> SMMU with Qemu (their loss :), it can certainly use VFIO for passing-through
> devices
> with MAP/UNMAP. But if Qemu then attempts to passdown a PASID table in SMMU
> format, the Intel driver should have a way to reject it, as the SMMU format
> isn't
> compatible.
Exactly, it would be grt if we can have the API defined as generic as
MAP/UNMAP. The
case you mentioned to emulate an ARM SMMU on an Intel platform is
representative.
For such cases, the problem is different vendors may have different PASID table
format
and also different page table format. In my understanding, these incompatible
things
may just result in failure if users try such emulation. What's your opinion
here?
Anyhow, better to listen to different voices.
>
> I'm tackling a similar problem at the moment, but for passing a single page
> directory
> instead of full PASID table to the IOMMU.
For, Intel IOMMU, passing the whole guest PASID table is enough and it also
avoids
too much pgd passing. However, I'm open on this idea. You may just add a new
flag
in "struct vfio_device_svm" and pass the single pgd down to host.
>
> So we need some kind of high-level classification that the vIOMMU must
> communicate to the physical one. Each IOMMU flavor would get a unique, global
> identifier, simply to make sure that vIOMMU and pIOMMU speak the same
> language.
> For example:
>
> 0x65776886 "AMDV" AMD IOMMU
> 0x73788476 "INTL" Intel IOMMU
> 0x83515748 "S390" s390 IOMMU
> 0x83777785 "SMMU" ARM SMMU
> etc.
>
> It needs to be a global magic number that everyone can recognize. Could be as
> simple as 32-bit numbers allocated from 0. Once we have a global magic
> number, we
> can use it to differentiate architecture-specific details.
I may need to think more on this part.
> struct pasid_table_info {
> __u64 ptr;
> __u64 size; /* Is it number of entry or size in
> bytes? */
For Intel platform, it's encoded. But I can make it in bytes. Here, I'd like
to check with you if whole guest PASID info is also needed on ARM?
>
> __u32 model; /* magic number */
> __u32 variant; /* version of the IOMMU architecture,
> maybe? IOMMU-specific. */
> __u8 opaque[]; /* IOMMU-specific details */
> };
>
> And then each IOMMU or page-table code can do low-level validation of the
> format,
> by reading the details in 'opaque'. I assume that for Intel this would be
> empty. But
yes, for Intel, if the PASID ptr is in the definition, opaque would be empty.
> for instance on ARM SMMUv3, PASID table can have either one or two levels, and
> vIOMMU would specify which one of the three available formats it is using.
Yes it is. PASID table could also be multi-level. I agree to have it into
consideration.
> struct pasid_table_info_smmu {
> /*
> * In 'opaque', architecture details only the IOMMU driver should
> * be caring about.
> */
> __u8 s1fmt;
> __u8 s1dss;
> }
>
> If the physical SMMU doesn't implement the particular PASID table format, it
> should
> reject the bind.
So far, I think reject may be the best policy. I can't assume that different
have consistent
format for the PASID table and page table as previous comments.
>
> This would allow to keep architecture details outside of VFIO core (as well
> as virtio in
> my case), and only have vIOMMU and pIOMMU understand those details.
>
> >
> > For invalidation, I've following info in in pseudo code.
> > struct iommu_svm_tlb_invalidate_info
> > {
> > __u32 inv_type;
> > #define IOTLB_INV (1 << 0)
> > #define EXTENDED_IOTLB_INV (1 << 1)
> > #define DEVICE_IOTLB_INV (1 << 2)
> > #define EXTENDED_DEVICE_IOTLB_INV (1 << 3)
> > #define PASID_CACHE_INV (1 << 4)
> > __u32 pasid;
> > __u64 addr;
> > __u64 size;
> > __u8 granularity;
> > #define DEFAULT_INV_GRN 0
> > #define PAGE_SELECTIVE_INV (1 << 0)
> > #define PASID_SELECVIVE_INV (1 << 1)
> > __u64 flags;
> > #define INVALIDATE_HINT_BIT (1 << 0)
> > #define GLOBAL_HINT_BIT (1 << 1)
> > #define DRAIN_READ_BIT (1 << 2)
> > #define DRAIN_WRITE_BIT (1 << 3)
> > #define DEVICE_TLB_GLOBAL_BIT (1 << 4)
> > __u8 mip;
> > __u16 pfsid;
> > };
>
> This would also benefit from being split into generic and architectural
> parts. Former
> would be defined in VFIO, latter would be in the IOMMU driver.
For invalidation part, I'm trying to have a generic definition by including all
possible information
for a TLB invalidation. Anyhow, I would split the information when I send out
my RFC patch
for virtual SVM.
>
> struct tlb_invalidate_info
> {
> __u8 granularity
> #define DEFAULT_INV_GRN 0 /* What is default? */
It's device selective. Since all invalidation from guest should be at least
device-selective, so I
name it as default. Would rename it to make it clear.
> #define PAGE_SELECTIVE_INV (1 << 0)
> #define PASID_SELECTIVE_INV (1 << 1)
> __u32 pasid;
> __u64 addr;
> __u64 size;
>
> /* Since IOMMU format has already been validated for this table,
> the IOMMU driver knows that the following structure is in a
> format it knows */
> __u8 opaque[];
> };
>
> struct tlb_invalidate_info_intel
> {
> __u32 inv_type;
> ...
> __u64 flags;
> ...
> __u8 mip;
> __u16 pfsid;
> };
>
> > Although your proposal is for userspace driver SVM usage while mine is
> > for SVM usage in virtual machine, there should be a chance to make
> > the channel meet our request. And I think it would be more acceptable.
> > So I'd like to see your comments if we define the channel as following
> > definition.
> > If any better solution, pls feel free let me know.
> >
> > struct vfio_device_svm {
> > __u32 argsz;
> > #define VFIO_SVM_BIND_PASIDTP (1 << 0)
>
> To check we're on the same page: the absence of BIND_PASIDTP flag would mean
> "bind a single PASID" and in that case, data[] would be a "u32 pasid"?
Actually, I planned to use a single channel for both guest PASID table ptr
passdown
and invalidation info passdown. So it is defined in this way.
VFIO_SVM_BIND_PASIDTP -> data[] includes guest PASID table ptr and table size
VFIO_SVM_PASSDOWN_INVALIDATE -> data[] includes infos for invalidataion
Now, we want to have it shared by different vendors. So I would remove
invalidate
definition from it. Regards to your example, yes it would be a "u32 pasid" if
you are
passing a PASID value from guest. I think we are on the same page for the
usage?
>
> > #define VFIO_SVM_PASSDOWN_INVALIDATE (1 << 1)
>
> Using the vfio_device_svm structure for invalidate operations is a bit odd,
> it might be
> nicer to add a new VFIO_SVM_INVALIDATE ioctl, that takes the above
> iommu_svm_tlb_invalidate_info as argument (with an added argsz.)
Agree, would add a separate IOCTL for invalidation.
>
> > #define VFIO_SVM_PASID_RELEASE_FLUSHED (1 << 2)
> > #define VFIO_SVM_PASID_RELEASE_CLEAN (1 << 3)
> > __u32 flags;
> > __u32 length;
>
> If length is the size of data[], I guess we can already deduce this info from
> argsz.
yes, it is size of data. Maybe remove argsz. How about your opinion?
> > __u8 data[];
> > };
>
> In general, I think that your proposal would work fine along mine. Note that
> for my
> next version of this patch, I would like to move the BIND/UNBIND SVM
> operations
> onto a VFIO container fd, instead of a VFIO device fd, if possible.
Attach the BIND/UNBIND operation onto VFIO container fd is practical.
BTW. Before you send out your next version, we'd better have a consensus on the
vfio_device_svm definition. So that we can continue to drive our own work
separately.
> ---
> As an aside, it also aligns with the one I'm working on at the moment, for
> virtual
> SVM at a finer granularity, where the BIND call is for a page table. I would
> add this
> flag to vfio_device_svm:
>
> #define VFIO_SVM_BIND_PGTABLE (1 << x)
Sure. I think it may also be a requirement from other vendors. I think you've
mentioned
it in the above statements.
> Which would indicate the following data (just a draft, I'm oscillating
> between this
> and a generic PASID table solution, which would instead reuse your proposal):
>
> struct pgtable_info {
> __u32 pasid;
>
> __u64 pgd;
>
> __u32 model;
> __u32 variant;
>
> __u8 opaque[];
> };
>
> On ARM SMMU we would need to specify an io-pgtable variant and the opaque
> structure would be bits of io_pgtable_cfg (tcr, mair, etc.)
>
> The problem of portability is slightly different here, because while PASID
> table
> format is specific to an IOMMU, page table format might be the same across
> multiple flavors of IOMMUs. For instance, the PASID table format I use in
> this series
> can only be found in the ARM SMMUv3 architecture, but the page table format
> is the
> same as ARM SMMUv2, and other MMUs. I'd like to implement an IOMMU
> independent of any page-table formats, that could use whatever the host
> offers (not
> necessarily MMU PT). The model numbers described above wouldn't be suitable,
> so
> we'd need another set of magic numbers for page table formats.
Not sure if I totally got your points. We may assume PASID table format differs
from
vendor to vendor. For the page table format, I assume you mean the page table of
process. Or in other words MMU page table.
I'm a little bit confused about the following statements. Could you speak a
little bit more?
Is it for virtual SVM or user-space driver SVM usage?
" I'd like to implement an IOMMU independent of any page-table formats, that
could
use whatever the host offers (not necessarily MMU PT)."
I's nice to have such discussion. Let's co-work and have a well-defined API.
Thanks,
Yi L
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