Am 05.12.2017 um 01:19 schrieb Walter Parker:
Oh, I see, this not about the actual change (the protocol version). This is about when using PHP on the client side, it does not support all/enough of the modern cipher suite list.

Now that we have identified the problem in question, this should help you when you create your RFC to fix issues with the cipher suite list.

FYI, the client and server send lists of ciphers that they support to each other, the server does an AND and picks the highest cipher in on the list. If the client sends only NULL, then NULL is the only valid cipher. OpenSSL has default list which includes weak ciphers (such as DES), so using the default list is bad idea

this is not true at all and that's why you use tools like https://www.ssllabs.com/ssltest/ and SSLHonorCipherOrder as serveradmin for many years if you care about TLS at all

also the default openssl cipherlist is not just random

as you can see it prefers the ECDSA AES-GCM followed by the RSA AES-GCM and after the ECDHE it continues with other GCM ciphers na dthe DES/CBC stuff is at a place in the list which never is selected these days

[harry@srv-rhsoft:~]$ openssl ciphers -v
ECDHE-ECDSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 TLSv1.2 Kx=ECDH Au=ECDSA Enc=AESGCM(256) Mac=AEAD ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 TLSv1.2 Kx=ECDH Au=RSA Enc=AESGCM(256) Mac=AEAD ECDHE-ECDSA-CHACHA20-POLY1305 TLSv1.2 Kx=ECDH Au=ECDSA Enc=CHACHA20/POLY1305(256) Mac=AEAD ECDHE-RSA-CHACHA20-POLY1305 TLSv1.2 Kx=ECDH Au=RSA Enc=CHACHA20/POLY1305(256) Mac=AEAD ECDHE-ECDSA-AES256-CCM8 TLSv1.2 Kx=ECDH Au=ECDSA Enc=AESCCM8(256) Mac=AEAD ECDHE-ECDSA-AES256-CCM TLSv1.2 Kx=ECDH Au=ECDSA Enc=AESCCM(256) Mac=AEAD ECDHE-ECDSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 TLSv1.2 Kx=ECDH Au=ECDSA Enc=AESGCM(128) Mac=AEAD ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 TLSv1.2 Kx=ECDH Au=RSA Enc=AESGCM(128) Mac=AEAD ECDHE-ECDSA-AES128-CCM8 TLSv1.2 Kx=ECDH Au=ECDSA Enc=AESCCM8(128) Mac=AEAD ECDHE-ECDSA-AES128-CCM TLSv1.2 Kx=ECDH Au=ECDSA Enc=AESCCM(128) Mac=AEAD ECDHE-ECDSA-AES256-SHA384 TLSv1.2 Kx=ECDH Au=ECDSA Enc=AES(256) Mac=SHA384
ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA384 TLSv1.2 Kx=ECDH     Au=RSA  Enc=AES(256)  Mac=SHA384
ECDHE-ECDSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA384 TLSv1.2 Kx=ECDH Au=ECDSA Enc=Camellia(256) Mac=SHA384 ECDHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA384 TLSv1.2 Kx=ECDH Au=RSA Enc=Camellia(256) Mac=SHA384

ECDHE-ECDSA-AES128-SHA256 TLSv1.2 Kx=ECDH Au=ECDSA Enc=AES(128) Mac=SHA256 ECDHE-RSA-AES128-SHA256 TLSv1.2 Kx=ECDH Au=RSA Enc=AES(128) Mac=SHA256 ECDHE-ECDSA-CAMELLIA128-SHA256 TLSv1.2 Kx=ECDH Au=ECDSA Enc=Camellia(128) Mac=SHA256

ECDHE-RSA-CAMELLIA128-SHA256 TLSv1.2 Kx=ECDH Au=RSA Enc=Camellia(128) Mac=SHA256

ECDHE-ECDSA-AES256-SHA TLSv1 Kx=ECDH Au=ECDSA Enc=AES(256) Mac=SHA1 ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA TLSv1 Kx=ECDH Au=RSA Enc=AES(256) Mac=SHA1

ECDHE-ECDSA-AES128-SHA  TLSv1 Kx=ECDH     Au=ECDSA Enc=AES(128)  Mac=SHA1
ECDHE-RSA-AES128-SHA    TLSv1 Kx=ECDH     Au=RSA  Enc=AES(128)  Mac=SHA1
ECDHE-ECDSA-DES-CBC3-SHA TLSv1 Kx=ECDH     Au=ECDSA Enc=3DES(168) Mac=SHA1
ECDHE-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA  TLSv1 Kx=ECDH     Au=RSA  Enc=3DES(168) Mac=SHA1
AES256-GCM-SHA384       TLSv1.2 Kx=RSA      Au=RSA  Enc=AESGCM(256) Mac=AEAD
AES256-CCM8 TLSv1.2 Kx=RSA Au=RSA Enc=AESCCM8(256) Mac=AEAD
AES256-CCM              TLSv1.2 Kx=RSA      Au=RSA  Enc=AESCCM(256) Mac=AEAD
AES128-GCM-SHA256       TLSv1.2 Kx=RSA      Au=RSA  Enc=AESGCM(128) Mac=AEAD
AES128-CCM8 TLSv1.2 Kx=RSA Au=RSA Enc=AESCCM8(128) Mac=AEAD
AES128-CCM              TLSv1.2 Kx=RSA      Au=RSA  Enc=AESCCM(128) Mac=AEAD
AES256-SHA256           TLSv1.2 Kx=RSA      Au=RSA  Enc=AES(256)  Mac=SHA256
CAMELLIA256-SHA256 TLSv1.2 Kx=RSA Au=RSA Enc=Camellia(256) Mac=SHA256
AES128-SHA256           TLSv1.2 Kx=RSA      Au=RSA  Enc=AES(128)  Mac=SHA256
CAMELLIA128-SHA256 TLSv1.2 Kx=RSA Au=RSA Enc=Camellia(128) Mac=SHA256
AES256-SHA              SSLv3 Kx=RSA      Au=RSA  Enc=AES(256)  Mac=SHA1
CAMELLIA256-SHA         SSLv3 Kx=RSA      Au=RSA  Enc=Camellia(256) Mac=SHA1
AES128-SHA              SSLv3 Kx=RSA      Au=RSA  Enc=AES(128)  Mac=SHA1
CAMELLIA128-SHA         SSLv3 Kx=RSA      Au=RSA  Enc=Camellia(128) Mac=SHA1
DES-CBC3-SHA            SSLv3 Kx=RSA      Au=RSA  Enc=3DES(168) Mac=SHA1
DHE-DSS-AES256-GCM-SHA384 TLSv1.2 Kx=DH Au=DSS Enc=AESGCM(256) Mac=AEAD DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 TLSv1.2 Kx=DH Au=RSA Enc=AESGCM(256) Mac=AEAD DHE-RSA-CHACHA20-POLY1305 TLSv1.2 Kx=DH Au=RSA Enc=CHACHA20/POLY1305(256) Mac=AEAD DHE-RSA-AES256-CCM8 TLSv1.2 Kx=DH Au=RSA Enc=AESCCM8(256) Mac=AEAD
DHE-RSA-AES256-CCM      TLSv1.2 Kx=DH       Au=RSA  Enc=AESCCM(256) Mac=AEAD
DHE-DSS-AES128-GCM-SHA256 TLSv1.2 Kx=DH Au=DSS Enc=AESGCM(128) Mac=AEAD DHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 TLSv1.2 Kx=DH Au=RSA Enc=AESGCM(128) Mac=AEAD DHE-RSA-AES128-CCM8 TLSv1.2 Kx=DH Au=RSA Enc=AESCCM8(128) Mac=AEAD
DHE-RSA-AES128-CCM      TLSv1.2 Kx=DH       Au=RSA  Enc=AESCCM(128) Mac=AEAD
DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA256   TLSv1.2 Kx=DH       Au=RSA  Enc=AES(256)  Mac=SHA256
DHE-DSS-AES256-SHA256   TLSv1.2 Kx=DH       Au=DSS  Enc=AES(256)  Mac=SHA256
DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA256 TLSv1.2 Kx=DH Au=RSA Enc=Camellia(256) Mac=SHA256 DHE-DSS-CAMELLIA256-SHA256 TLSv1.2 Kx=DH Au=DSS Enc=Camellia(256) Mac=SHA256
DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA256   TLSv1.2 Kx=DH       Au=RSA  Enc=AES(128)  Mac=SHA256
DHE-DSS-AES128-SHA256   TLSv1.2 Kx=DH       Au=DSS  Enc=AES(128)  Mac=SHA256
DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA128-SHA256 TLSv1.2 Kx=DH Au=RSA Enc=Camellia(128) Mac=SHA256 DHE-DSS-CAMELLIA128-SHA256 TLSv1.2 Kx=DH Au=DSS Enc=Camellia(128) Mac=SHA256
DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA      SSLv3 Kx=DH       Au=RSA  Enc=AES(256)  Mac=SHA1
DHE-DSS-AES256-SHA      SSLv3 Kx=DH       Au=DSS  Enc=AES(256)  Mac=SHA1
DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA SSLv3 Kx=DH       Au=RSA  Enc=Camellia(256) Mac=SHA1
DHE-DSS-CAMELLIA256-SHA SSLv3 Kx=DH       Au=DSS  Enc=Camellia(256) Mac=SHA1
DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA      SSLv3 Kx=DH       Au=RSA  Enc=AES(128)  Mac=SHA1
DHE-DSS-AES128-SHA      SSLv3 Kx=DH       Au=DSS  Enc=AES(128)  Mac=SHA1
DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA128-SHA SSLv3 Kx=DH       Au=RSA  Enc=Camellia(128) Mac=SHA1
DHE-DSS-CAMELLIA128-SHA SSLv3 Kx=DH       Au=DSS  Enc=Camellia(128) Mac=SHA1
DHE-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA    SSLv3 Kx=DH       Au=RSA  Enc=3DES(168) Mac=SHA1
DHE-DSS-DES-CBC3-SHA    SSLv3 Kx=DH       Au=DSS  Enc=3DES(168) Mac=SHA1
PSK-AES256-GCM-SHA384   TLSv1.2 Kx=PSK      Au=PSK  Enc=AESGCM(256) Mac=AEAD
PSK-CHACHA20-POLY1305 TLSv1.2 Kx=PSK Au=PSK Enc=CHACHA20/POLY1305(256) Mac=AEAD PSK-AES256-CCM8 TLSv1.2 Kx=PSK Au=PSK Enc=AESCCM8(256) Mac=AEAD
PSK-AES256-CCM          TLSv1.2 Kx=PSK      Au=PSK  Enc=AESCCM(256) Mac=AEAD
PSK-AES128-GCM-SHA256   TLSv1.2 Kx=PSK      Au=PSK  Enc=AESGCM(128) Mac=AEAD
PSK-AES128-CCM8 TLSv1.2 Kx=PSK Au=PSK Enc=AESCCM8(128) Mac=AEAD
PSK-AES128-CCM          TLSv1.2 Kx=PSK      Au=PSK  Enc=AESCCM(128) Mac=AEAD
PSK-AES256-CBC-SHA384   TLSv1 Kx=PSK      Au=PSK  Enc=AES(256)  Mac=SHA384
PSK-AES256-CBC-SHA      SSLv3 Kx=PSK      Au=PSK  Enc=AES(256)  Mac=SHA1
PSK-CAMELLIA256-SHA384 TLSv1 Kx=PSK Au=PSK Enc=Camellia(256) Mac=SHA384
PSK-AES128-CBC-SHA256   TLSv1 Kx=PSK      Au=PSK  Enc=AES(128)  Mac=SHA256
PSK-AES128-CBC-SHA      SSLv3 Kx=PSK      Au=PSK  Enc=AES(128)  Mac=SHA1
PSK-CAMELLIA128-SHA256 TLSv1 Kx=PSK Au=PSK Enc=Camellia(128) Mac=SHA256
PSK-3DES-EDE-CBC-SHA    SSLv3 Kx=PSK      Au=PSK  Enc=3DES(168) Mac=SHA1
DHE-PSK-AES256-GCM-SHA384 TLSv1.2 Kx=DHEPSK Au=PSK Enc=AESGCM(256) Mac=AEAD DHE-PSK-CHACHA20-POLY1305 TLSv1.2 Kx=DHEPSK Au=PSK Enc=CHACHA20/POLY1305(256) Mac=AEAD DHE-PSK-AES256-CCM8 TLSv1.2 Kx=DHEPSK Au=PSK Enc=AESCCM8(256) Mac=AEAD
DHE-PSK-AES256-CCM      TLSv1.2 Kx=DHEPSK   Au=PSK  Enc=AESCCM(256) Mac=AEAD
DHE-PSK-AES128-GCM-SHA256 TLSv1.2 Kx=DHEPSK Au=PSK Enc=AESGCM(128) Mac=AEAD DHE-PSK-AES128-CCM8 TLSv1.2 Kx=DHEPSK Au=PSK Enc=AESCCM8(128) Mac=AEAD
DHE-PSK-AES128-CCM      TLSv1.2 Kx=DHEPSK   Au=PSK  Enc=AESCCM(128) Mac=AEAD
DHE-PSK-AES256-CBC-SHA384 TLSv1 Kx=DHEPSK   Au=PSK  Enc=AES(256)  Mac=SHA384
DHE-PSK-AES256-CBC-SHA  SSLv3 Kx=DHEPSK   Au=PSK  Enc=AES(256)  Mac=SHA1
DHE-PSK-CAMELLIA256-SHA384 TLSv1 Kx=DHEPSK Au=PSK Enc=Camellia(256) Mac=SHA384
DHE-PSK-AES128-CBC-SHA256 TLSv1 Kx=DHEPSK   Au=PSK  Enc=AES(128)  Mac=SHA256
DHE-PSK-AES128-CBC-SHA  SSLv3 Kx=DHEPSK   Au=PSK  Enc=AES(128)  Mac=SHA1
DHE-PSK-CAMELLIA128-SHA256 TLSv1 Kx=DHEPSK Au=PSK Enc=Camellia(128) Mac=SHA256
DHE-PSK-3DES-EDE-CBC-SHA SSLv3 Kx=DHEPSK   Au=PSK  Enc=3DES(168) Mac=SHA1
ECDHE-PSK-CHACHA20-POLY1305 TLSv1.2 Kx=ECDHEPSK Au=PSK Enc=CHACHA20/POLY1305(256) Mac=AEAD ECDHE-PSK-AES256-CBC-SHA384 TLSv1 Kx=ECDHEPSK Au=PSK Enc=AES(256) Mac=SHA384
ECDHE-PSK-AES256-CBC-SHA TLSv1 Kx=ECDHEPSK Au=PSK  Enc=AES(256)  Mac=SHA1
ECDHE-PSK-CAMELLIA256-SHA384 TLSv1 Kx=ECDHEPSK Au=PSK Enc=Camellia(256) Mac=SHA384 ECDHE-PSK-AES128-CBC-SHA256 TLSv1 Kx=ECDHEPSK Au=PSK Enc=AES(128) Mac=SHA256
ECDHE-PSK-AES128-CBC-SHA TLSv1 Kx=ECDHEPSK Au=PSK  Enc=AES(128)  Mac=SHA1
ECDHE-PSK-CAMELLIA128-SHA256 TLSv1 Kx=ECDHEPSK Au=PSK Enc=Camellia(128) Mac=SHA256
ECDHE-PSK-3DES-EDE-CBC-SHA TLSv1 Kx=ECDHEPSK Au=PSK  Enc=3DES(168) Mac=SHA1



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