I'm pretty sure everyone here has ignored emails before. A CoC is pretty darn important(in my opinion) but if you've decided the discussion isn't useful to you, just add a filter or just don't open the emails. Its not that hard.
On Wed, Jan 13, 2016 at 8:52 AM John Bafford <jbaff...@zort.net> wrote: > Adam, Sascha, > > > On Jan 13, 2016, at 08:53, Adam Howard <oldschool...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > Well, I'm glad someone is in agreement. I really wish we'd get back to > the actual code. Because if not, I do think perhaps PHP Internals as > outlived the email format and should migrate to a forum format. I think I > and many others did not subscribe to a mailing list for this type of > argument and at this point it is becoming hard to follow, assume you were > interested in it. > > > > This little link http://www.php.net/unsub.php to unsubscribe is the > last report, but if this all we're going to keep arguing about, it sure > isn't going to encourage newbies, let alone long-timers such as myself. > > > > On Wed, Jan 13, 2016 at 1:26 AM, Sascha Schumann < > sascha.schum...@myrasecurity.com> wrote: > > > On January 12, 2016 at 7:05 PM Adam Howard <oldschool...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > > > > > Can we please move on past this and get back to actual code. Because > if > > > not, perhaps PHP Internals has outgrown the email format and should > migrate > > > to a forum type format. > > > > Agreed. > > This is almost exactly the point I was trying to make. > > There is a serious problem with the conversation on internals, and the > immediate reaction is, “there’s no problem, this is a distraction, stop > talking about this and talk about something else”. > > Even if you didn’t *mean* that, that’s what was heard. > > > In one email, and one “me too” follow-up you’ve: > > * attempted to silence an important discussion > * suggested that that the opinion held (and François’ question) is not > worthy of discussion > * distracted the discussion with an unusable suggestion [* see below] > * provided nothing constructive to help actually solve the problem > * reinforced the notion that nothing is wrong and everything is fine. > > THIS is toxic internals. > > > Let me elaborate on the third point, particularly the distracted and > unusable bits: > > You make the assertion that this conversation is an indication that > php-internals has outgrown email and should migrate platforms. And you > propose an alternative. > > But you don’t explain *why* you think that this conversation has outgrown > email, and even more importantly, you don’t you don’t actually explain > *why* a forum format would be an improvement. > > I’m not saying that a forum *couldn’t* be an improvement. But without you > giving any supporting argument, you’ve given nothing concrete that anyone > can have a discussion about. It’s not actively helping to solve the > problem. It’s just more noise that serves to make people think their > comments don’t matter. (For the record: I don’t like forums. And I really > don’t see how forums would solve the culture problem. But me saying that, > and only that, is just as constructive as you saying only that we should > switch to one.) > > So, your suggestion is unusable, because it provides nothing constructive > or actionable; and it is a distraction because the platform we use to talk > is *entirely* irrelevant to how people hold conversations on that platform, > and rather than discussing the problem, you try to talk about something > completely unrelated instead. > > > I didn’t sign up for internals looking to deal with this either. But there > is a problem, and it is keeping me from actually contributing code. And > I’ve been sitting on the sidelines here for a *long* time. I’m trying to > make it so that newbies feel welcome to contribute. I’m trying to make it > so that the old-timers who have reduced their participation feel like they > can come back and be productive again. > > I would *love* to talk about code now. I wish we didn’t have to talk about > this. But silencing the conversation and wishing the problem away doesn’t > fix the the giant elephpant in the room. It just *makes it worse*. > > -John > > > -- > PHP Internals - PHP Runtime Development Mailing List > To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php > >
