On 12/01/16 04:24, Stanislav Malyshev wrote: >> This is getting a bit ranty. But internals deserves it. You all may >> > be great programmers, but in terms of making people *want* to work on >> > php-src, you're shitty salespeople. > Maybe. For myself, I'm pretty much surely a shitty salesperson. How > would you sell it instead?
I'll be the first to put up my hand as to being a lousy salesperson. I'm an engineer and don't charge enough but I can't personally justify ripping clients off for the amount of time it sometimes takes to fix the problems others cause through often unnecessary 'upgrades'. I've had a few sites out over Christmas due to one niggle or another. A couple due to missing fixes when porting the PHP over from the 5.2 servers. I have to take the hit for the time spent ... it's not the clients fault the site failed? I've just spent the best part of a week rebuilding my development platform, starting again from scratch with a clean copy of Eclipse + PDT with it's new PHP7 validator so I can HOPEFULLY now see what extra work needs doing but there is nothing here I can 'sell' to a client. They just want their sites to keep working ... that is what they pay me for. I've now got to port the existing projects over since many of the problems I've lived with for the last few years turn out to be due to poor upgrades to project files in Eclipse over time. And learn PDT since I've been using PHPEclipse for the past 10+ years. I've been TRYING to pick up the remaining niggles with the Firebird/Interbase extension, and work through the ADOdb patches to make that compliant with PHP7, but it does not qualify me as an 'internals' contributor. Only what I conciser an active PHP contributor and certainly not a salesperson for PHP. Today understanding the core code of PHP is even more difficult than it was when I first fixed bugs in extensions 15 years ago so we are more reliant on the few people who actually understand the changes and I doubt now I will ever have the time to get any closer to the code than that. -- Lester Caine - G8HFL ----------------------------- Contact - http://lsces.co.uk/wiki/?page=contact L.S.Caine Electronic Services - http://lsces.co.uk EnquirySolve - http://enquirysolve.com/ Model Engineers Digital Workshop - http://medw.co.uk Rainbow Digital Media - http://rainbowdigitalmedia.co.uk -- PHP Internals - PHP Runtime Development Mailing List To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
