> -----Original Message----- > From: Ferenc Kovacs [mailto:tyr...@gmail.com] > Sent: Thursday, December 03, 2015 2:25 PM > To: Zeev Suraski > Cc: Anatol Belski; Sebastian Bergmann; PHP Internals > Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP 7.0.0 final RTM delay > > > > On Thu, Dec 3, 2015 at 1:08 PM, Zeev Suraski <z...@zend.com> wrote: > > > > My red wine is already cooling for two days, your preferential drink > for > > sure, > > too. The moment is big. But how human it wants ever to be, it is > hardly > > applicable to the the job of delivering a release, even today. We > should > > not > > let us to hype but do a solid delivery with everything that belongs > to it > > at the > > current time. Acting any other way can get dangerous in the > technical > > perspective and specifically today it would be explicitly unfair to a > part > > of > > the community. Both things are bad. That's why I would prefer > rather to > > keep the heads cold and to follow the process that is proven to > deliver > > successful releases, then we can be sure others have a real reason > to > > overhype. > > Anatol, > > I'm sorry, but this has nothing to do with professionalism or coolness > of > wine nor heads, and to be perfectly honest, I'm not feeling very > comfortable > with the suggestion otherwise. Your choice, while completely valid, > is not > an ounce more professional or cool headed than the alternative. > > > > let's just stop this here. > as already mentioned this is how we are doing the release process for > years, > if you have a problem with that, you are free to make suggestions or > initiate > discussion. > but what you guys are doing seems to be coercing the current RM to get > your > way in the last minute. > Anatol mentioned the openssl depencency for the windows builds to the > RMs two days ago and even sent a headsup email to internals (this thread). > > we didn't make a promise on the exact hour of the release and we aren't > late > yet, I don't think that there is a need for "desperate" measures or > getting > into personal attacks. > everything is going according to the plan.
Ferenc, I’m not sure what to say. I was quoting Anatol’s own words to me, I even refrained from categorizing them as an attack – and still you’re saying I’m attacking him? The discussion went off-track as soon as professionalism and temperatures were introduced to it. I’m not trying to coerce the RM to do anything. At this point I’m not even trying to convince him. Earlier, I did try to convince him why I think he’s taken a wrong decision, but if you read my note – I outright said it’s his call and that I’m no longer going to try and continue convincing him to change his mind; The only reason I sent my note is that I did not want the (bogus) portrayal of this decision as the only professional/cool headed one to stick, because, well, it’s not true and worse, it's offensive. The decision to delay is his own, valid, subjective decision – which is fine, but that’s it. Zeev -- PHP Internals - PHP Runtime Development Mailing List To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
