I have asked you before to stop harassing me, and stop spreading these lies and defamation before. Furthermore I have asked you to stop emailing all together.
I have asked you very politely several times before. Please refrain for talking about me or to me ever again. I will take legal actions if this does not stop. Thank you for your understanding. -Hannes On Tue, Mar 17, 2015 at 6:30 PM, Pierre Joye <pierre....@gmail.com> wrote: > hi, > > On Wed, Mar 18, 2015 at 9:00 AM, Hannes Magnusson > <hannes.magnus...@gmail.com> wrote: >> On Tue, Mar 17, 2015 at 2:15 PM, Sebastian B.-Hagensen >> <sbj.ml.r...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> Hi, >>> >>> 2015-03-17 20:55 GMT+01:00 Hannes Magnusson <hannes.magnus...@gmail.com>: >>>> If you need to confirm the statistics, or gather more background data, >>>> then feel free to contact me privately, off the list, and I'll get you >>>> the account approval dates (karma and/or wiki). >>> >>> While I agree that the issue at hand was not presented in the way it >>> should have been may still become a valid issue in the future. >>> If you want to prevent situations or even (wrong) ideas and >>> accusations like these the dates of account creations have to be >>> public and easily accessible by everyone involved (publicly listed on >>> people.php.net for example). >> >> >> people.php.net are php.net karma holders. We have no responsibility to >> disclose any information about our contributors to anyone. >> It is however fun to do so, so I created people.php.net listing random >> info about our contributors. If you can think of other fun things to >> do with that website, I'd love feedback and contributions! >> >> The wiki account system is different. php.net karma holders have >> access out-of-the-box using their vcs credentials. >> Then there is a special case where you have to register to the wiki itself. >> Having a wiki account does nothing out-of-the-box. >> You have to ask for specific access. >> Since the inception of the wiki I have been the only one giving out >> wiki credentials. This has mostly been to outsiders wanting to write >> RFCs. >> I have vague memories having given 2-3 people access to >> https://wiki.php.net/usergroups and similar to docs and so on. >> These people still cannot vote. >> A person who maintains popular pecl extension cannot vote either, >> unless the extension is maintained on the php.net infrastructure (and >> therefore requiring php.net account) btw. >> >> There have been several members from the community that have asked for >> voting privileges, as per the voting rfc. I have arbitrary approved >> maybe 3 or 4 over the years. The other 5-10 did not get voting >> privileges because the authors of the voting rfc didn't care. >> >> I have absolutely no interest this voting business and and strongly >> disagree with the entire voting rfc idea. I would love to get back to >> http://producingoss.com/en/consensus-democracy.html > > > that's your good right to disagree and I respect your opinion in that regard. > > However, as of today, you are the blocking point when it comes to > improve the wiki RFCs, registration and voting areas.And this is > really becoming a problem. I am not talking about irregularities and > the likes and I agree that it may not be fair to start bitching about > one or another vote, especially for some 1st time voters but oldest > contributors. While I do see an issue with inactive developers > suddenly jumping in but not using or contributing to PHP in any form > since quite long. But this is a totally different issues and I really > have no idea how to solve that, I do not see it as a big issue either > so... > > However, the RFCs have been abused in many possible ways where I > thought common sense will make people act fairly and correctly. I was > wrong. Having simple technical measures to ensure fairness in > discussions, voting and end of voting periods will prevent some of > these abuses to happen again. It is possible to achieve that without > going down a more drastic road (anonymous votes or other more deep > changes) but will make things work the same way for everyone. > > The other problem I see, which becomes a habit for a couple of RFC > authors, is the quality of the RFC. On one hand we have detailed high > quality RFC, clear communications and flows and on the other hand, > incomplete, confusing, lack of communications (aka missing the points > of a Request for Comments completely). And this is a much more bigger > worry than anything else. We have to fix that and such RFCs must be > discarded or simply not accepted to vote unless they actually reach a > certain quality and will to discuss. I will start another separate > thread about that. > > Now, to be able to actually implement the little technical measure to > ensure that everyone follows the same rules, I ask you one more time > to provide the data of the current wiki so patches, changes etc can be > implemented in a safer way. You know where to reach me to provide it. > Thanks for your cooperation. > > Cheers, > -- > Pierre > > @pierrejoye | http://www.libgd.org -- PHP Internals - PHP Runtime Development Mailing List To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
