Le 16/03/2015 12:39, Xinchen Hui a écrit :
Hey:
And last comment, if there no such declare thing, I will definitely
vote yes to this RFC.
Hi Xinchen,
You can also not vote at all, that's a very valid option.
By voting yes, you say that you want PHP developers to have access to
STH in PHP 7, by voting No, you say that you don't want PHP developers
to be able to use STH in PHP 7. By not voting, you let the rest of the
PHP community that cares about STH (both for and against) decide if the
feature gets in the language. As a person with voting rights, you should
study the RFCs in details, understand them fully and vote on what you
think you have understanding and expertise on. There is no obligation to
vote on all RFCs.
It seems that you won't use STH yourself so you will probably never use
declare in your code and won't be impacted by the existence or not of
the feature. I also don't like how the declare syntax looks, and
similarily I personnally dislike even more how ugly the namespace syntax
is in PHP with the backslashes (Foo\Bar\Baz), yet, I am happy that we do
have the possibility to namespace our code, because PHP 5 *needed* that
feature. And I think PHP 7 needs something like that, I also think it's
a very clever solution as we can keep on using PHP as a weakly typed
language as usual but also strenghten some of our code that needs strong
typing.
that's why I want vote no for this, and wait for Bob's Basic STH.
thanks
It's too late, Bob's Basic STH missed the schedule for PHP 7, it was
proposed way too late and the coercive STH RFC has just zero chance to
pass, it's too much of a BC break for everybody. The dual mode STH is
the only chance to have something for PHP 7 and remain competitive with
HHVM, Node.js… that we see people switch to. Baidu switched to HHVM,
Wikipedia too, in my country big names switched from PHP to node.js and
that was not just for performance reasons, it was also for the features.
Zeev himself admitted that we need something for PHP 7.
Personnally, I think the dual mode is a very clever way to please all
PHP developpers, those that want to use weak typing, those that want to
use stronger typing and those like me that would continue to use weak
typing because it's convenient but would be happy to use STH on very
specific parts of his code that would benefit from it.
Cheers,
Pascal
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