On Mar 16, 2015 8:41 AM, "Zeev Suraski" <z...@zend.com> wrote:
>
> Stelian,
>
> Respectfully, I think internals@ is being just a bit too uptight here.
> First, I did ask Bob before doing this, and while he said he thought it
> wasn't a good idea (mostly because of feedback such as yours) - he didn't
> 'block' me.
>
> Secondly, can we all relax a bit with the rules, RFCs, legalese and what's
> allowed and not allowed to do?  It's a simple POLL.

I won't relax on the rules sorry.

If there is a more consensus based group I would, maybe, on very rare
occasions. But right now, I wouldake them harder and find a way to enforce
them instead of relaxing them.

Now talking about the ability or will to find compromises, I have to
remember you what we (Anatol and team) did for the 64bit RFC, which was
accepted. We did not apply it as we could have done. It would have spared
us weeks of work but we did not. It would have given us exactly what we
wanted but we did not.

We instead decided to work with your team (phpng) so your team and php at
large won't suffer. And know what? It works out of the box.

That's why I have it to say it again, take a step back and reconsider your
stance on this whole thing. What is best for php, its contributor and what
will make us be seen as a team, what will make us act as a team. Because
right now all we show is that we are doing politics, it damages php, get
our most valuable contributors to leave the project and prevent new ones to
come.

I am not over analyzing that, it is a matter of facts and we must stop this
madness.

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