Hi Anthony, I'll post a more elaborate message later, including what I *really* sent to Sara, so that we can estimate how rude I was. I'll also explain the context. But I need a little more time to write it (I know I'm always asking for time ;).
The replies below are just quick and dirty. > De : Anthony Ferrara [mailto:ircmax...@gmail.com] > > That ignores the mail that spawned this thread (and the one I got in > private) saying in no uncertain terms I shouldn't open a proposal (and > should abandon this one) because someone else was working on one. It > goes both ways. I never asked anyone to abandon his work. I just asked to respect the rules. What I told you first is that, while Sara did not resigned formally, I didn't see why you could publish derived concurrent work from the RFC she was currently owning (and I don't use reddit, sorry). Now, it is still not very clear to me whether we have one or two active RFCs at this time... You will be surprised but I prefer the way you're dealing with Andrea's RFC, because you are just taking over, orienting but not denaturing anything she did, and that's fine, even if we don't fully agree. The reason I didn't formally take over the RFC first is that I considered I would denature her work and couldn't do that (while it would have brought me less problems, finally). > And sometimes the best way to cooperate is to compete. That doesn't > mean we're enemies. It means we have different ideas. So we let the > ideas stand for themselves, away from ourselves. That's exactly my position. The only point I insist on is that we compete with the same rules. Then, it is positive and I am all for it. > Again, please don't twist words. The point was there exists a proposal > which I believe can pass by a supermajority (and nearly did the first > time). Why should that be abandoned because some people disagree with > it? People disagree with proposals all the time. The way we've agreed > to solve that is voting. So isn't that the proper way forward? I agree I was a little late to propose something. I just asked if I could have 4/5 days to propose an alternative. Feature freeze is soon but I thought it was acceptable. But, while I was using that time to speak with people and move towards, not an acceptable, but a satisfying compromise between both positions, I saw all the stuff put on the table again almost every day, destroying everything we had built, and even questioning new points that were agreed for months. I don' believe it was the case but I could have thought of sabotage too... One last thing. I voted yes on Andrea's 0.3 and was for nothing in the withdrawal. I even privately proposed solutions for issues I had detected without exposing them publicly, while I thought the approach was fundamentally flawed. But, it was the rule, she was first. So, I'm not so shameful on the way I'm playing the game. More later. François -- PHP Internals - PHP Runtime Development Mailing List To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
