* Stas Malyshev <smalys...@sugarcrm.com> wrote: > Hi! > > >Just had such a problem myself a few weeks ago: a minor update > >(IIRC was from 5.3.2 to 5.3.3) broke virtually all of my web applications > > Out of curiosity - what exactly broke it? What change was it?
IIRC many deprecation warnings, which totally broke the output. I guess with the next release I can expect certain warnings to become true and certain functionality disappearing ;-o > >I got the strange feeling that php-devs don't care very much of long > >term stability ;-p > > If enough people would actually test pre-releases, the probability of > this happening would be lower. I, personally, have no time to test prereleases of dozens of packages (php is just one of dozens I'm using, not in the list of those I'm actively developing on). I use the packages of my distro (Gentoo), which has an own release process where new packages first masked as unstable and only get stabelized after some testing period - even this didn't catch this. Even large distros cannot test everything. IMHO there's a fundamental flaw in the development process: existing semantics in a stable line should _never_ change. Things like certain superglobals or calltime-reference passing should neither disappear or suddenly produce warnings within the stable line. The whole idea of depcreation warnings which explicitly have to be switched off is insane from the operator's perspective - it means a semantic change which requires each single php application to be tested in realworld scenarios before rolling out a new php version to production servers, leading to imensive costs simply driving people away from php completely. I really can understand the idea of these warnings, as well as removing things like superglobals, from development perspective. But they better belong into an additional instrumentation system which does not affect the behaviour of the running applications (eg. send these warnings to syslog instead of stdout, unless _explicitly_ asked to do otherwise). cu -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Enrico Weigelt, metux IT service -- http://www.metux.de/ phone: +49 36207 519931 email: weig...@metux.de mobile: +49 151 27565287 icq: 210169427 skype: nekrad666 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Embedded-Linux / Portierung / Opensource-QM / Verteilte Systeme ---------------------------------------------------------------------- -- PHP Internals - PHP Runtime Development Mailing List To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
