On 8-Dec-06, at 1:01 PM, Stanislav Malyshev wrote:

COM:
Un-maintained at this time and has a fairly serious number of bugs (26 by latest count, many of which are crashes)

I don't think COM should be moved out. Right, it's windows only - but if you are on windows, COM extension is most useful (I used it a number of times and it's really amazing how easily you can do various data processing stuff if you combine power of PHP with, for example, Excel). As for bugs, they certainly need some attention, only moving it to PECL is not going to do them any better :) And as far as I can see, COM extension does not consume any significant resources. So I don't think it's a good idea to move it out.

Well, it does not consume any resources simply because no one is maintaining it ;-). How really different things would be if it were in pecl? I mean afaik COM is not enabled by default on win32, so you still need to enable it manually. So, the only extra step for people who want to use it would be to download it from pecl4win. This updates extensions more frequently then we do releases, so it'd actually give people the ability to get a more stable version (assuming bug fixes are made) far sooner then they'd be able to otherwise.

mhash:
Everything this extension that relies on an external lib to do, is already done by hash extension that is enabled by default and requires no external libs. There is simply no reason to keep it around.

Sounds convincing to me. Only thing I see is that manual right now does not give clear idea of what algorithms hash extension supports. It's not an argument against moving mhash out but suggestion for improvement :)

There is a list on http://www.php.net/manual/en/function.hash- algos.php, but I agree that we need a clearer list on the main page of the docs for the hash extension.

sockets:
    Un-maintained.
Majority of what it can do can already by done via streams in a much more consistent and stable fashion.

The I guess it's ok to move it to 6.0 but I don't think it's ok for 5.2 since there's a potential for people using it in apps and streams has quite different API so it'd require significant rewrite if people want to use it with standard PHP. Thus, not good to change it in minor version.

A good point for 5.2, but given that there is no one to support users using this extension if people start using that extension they potentially leading themselves to a dead-end. Given how far the streams have gone lately I do not believe that there is any interest in maintaining this extension any further.

Ilia Alshanetsky

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