Hello Andi,

  Your request for edge condition research is an excellent one.  We've
  just been through a hellish couple weeks of QA failures (at my
  company) which just *underscore* your point.  The last thing any of
  us needs is a broken PHP.

  That being said, is there anything I can do to help us find this
  stuff out?

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Tuesday, May 16, 2006, 5:41:31 PM, you wrote:

AG> Where would readable be enforced? Would it try and prevent getting 
AG> references to it? Are there any internal functions/classes which need 
AG> fixing to honor readable?

AG> I think these answers would really be helpful.

AG> Thanks.

AG> Andi

AG> At 02:37 PM 5/16/2006, Marcus Boerger wrote:
>>Hello Andi,
>>
>>   that is why most here already switched to "public readable".
>>
>>best regards
>>marcus
>>
>>Tuesday, May 16, 2006, 11:31:14 PM, you wrote:
>>
>> > I can't quite explain it but for me the ability to work-around
>> > private with methods which are able to access the private variable,
>> > is different than marking a property as read-only but it not being
>> > read-only in all semantics. Probably because private variables do
>> > often have getters and setters, whereas something which is marked as
>> > read-only (like a harddrive) tends to be read-only always.
>>
>> > Andi
>>
>> > At 02:08 PM 5/16/2006, Zeev Suraski wrote:
>> >>>However, the reason i write this mail is that you said there could be
>> >>>problems. Well this is deply integrated  in the handlers and they don't
>> >>>let you out. In other words if this stuff is not working then the whole
>> >>>PHP 5+ object model is broken. Or in other words, if this is broken alot
>> >>>of other stuff regarding object handling is already broken.
>> >>
>> >>You're probably right about this one.  You can already return a
>> >>reference to a private variable today and change it.  Andi - did you
>> >>mean something else?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>Best regards,
>>  Marcus

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