On Thu, Jun 27, 2024, at 2:14 PM, Jordan LeDoux wrote: > On Thu, Jun 27, 2024 at 12:53 PM Jim Winstead <j...@trainedmonkey.com> wrote: >> __ >> On Wed, Jun 26, 2024, at 7:15 PM, Michael Morris wrote: >>> PHP User Modules are php files that are brought into the runtime through a >>> new parser that is able to generate faster and more concise runtime code by >>> removing support for problematic features and imposing a strict mode by >>> default. They focus on PHP as a language and not as a template engine. >> >> I think the problem I have with this proposal is calling these "PHP User >> Modules". Here's an admittedly uncharitable rephrase of this: >> >> "NewLanguage User Modules are NewLanguage files that are brought into the >> PHP runtime through a new parser that may theoretically be able to generate >> faster and more concise runtime code by implementing a different language >> based on much of the syntax from PHP. This new language does not prioritize >> its use as a template language for HTML." > > Do you feel that Phar is a separate language? Is PHP no longer PHP if the @ > error suppression is removed? I'm really unclear about the point you are > making here, even if I ignore the "uncharitable" rephrase.
If I read through the 11 bullet points under "User Module Files" in the original proposal, I see two that are actually related to modules and most of them are just lopping off features from the PHP language in ways both small (no need for <?php) and huge (changing the scoping operator to '.' instead of '::', '->', and '\'). The angle I am coming at this from is improving the developer experience around "packages" or "modules" or whatever you want to call them, and so much of this proposal doesn't seem to be about that. I could have made that point in other ways, and I'm sorry that my first attempt came off as insulting. It really concerned me when I already saw discussion about taking this off-list and going into the weeds on technical details when the problem that is being addressed by this proposal is extremely unclear to me. Jim
