Thank you all for your input. I understand that I should be more active on the mailing list to get some history. I think that is reasonable, but I don’t see why that is important. I’m not applying based on my C skills, knowledge of processes or my previous technical arguments. So, I can only assume that you want me to have history because you want to get to know me better in this forum. Which means that if I show a pattern to disagree with you (in the general sense), that would decrease my chances to be granted voting rights. I’m sure that is not what you mean, but that is what’s implied.
@Kalle, I’ve not been active on those RFCs simply because I either agree or don’t care. I know it is a poor answer from me, but it is an honest answer. ------- I do find that some of you are making the argument that having voting access is like being in the “elite” and there should not be too many people in the elite. I guess it depends on your personality if you choose to see it that way. I also saw suggestions that one has to be a good core developer to be able to influence PHP. I find it particularly strange if it would be a requirement. Being a frequent and valuable contributor to PHP core would bring one perspective to the votes. Spending 5.000/hours yearly on programming PHP would bring you another perspective. The group of people with voting access currently have both perspectives which I think is a good thing. ------ This thread got way more answers and perspectives than I could imagine. I do agree with @Andreas Heigl that it would be good with some clearer processes on how to get and keep(!) voting karma. I will be more public on the mailing lists and share my thoughts if I have anything good to share. I’ll revisit this topic in 6-18 months and hope that you all know me better then. Regards, Tobias On Mon, 19 Jul 2021 at 01:37, Nikita Popov <nikita....@gmail.com> wrote: > On Sun, Jul 18, 2021 at 8:48 PM Tobias Nyholm <tobias.nyh...@gmail.com> > wrote: > >> Hey. >> I would like to get karma to be able to vote on RFCs. I understand that >> voting karma isn’t usually given out to people who write their first >> mailing list entry. >> >> But I do believe I qualify as “Lead developers of PHP based projects >> (frameworks, cms, tools, etc.)” >> >> For those of you who don’t know me, I’ve been working with open source >> PHP projects since 2015. I am part of Symfony core team, I wrote PSR-18 and >> was part of the working group for PSR-17. I also maintain Guzzle, >> webmozart/assert, Flysystem, HTTPlug and the php-http ecosystem and about >> 50 other packages with more than 100.000 monthly downloads. >> >> I think I am the most downloaded PHP maintainer. >> >> I have been following the RFCs more closely the past 2 years and I’ve >> finally gathered some courage to ask for karma. There has not been many >> (maybe just one or two) RFCs where I wished the vote turned out the other >> way. So, I don’t think I would have any radical opinions about future RFCs. >> >> If I’ve understad the process correctly, I do need someone with a php.net >> VCS account to sponsor me. >> >> My username is: nyholm >> >> Regards >> Tobias Nyholm >> > > Hey Tobias, > > My response here is basically the same as the last time the topic came up: > https://externals.io/message/110936#110937 Voting is just the very last > step of the RFC process, at which point the proposal can no longer be > influenced. If you have feedback about a proposal based on your extensive > experience in PHP's open source ecosystem, then the discussion phase is the > time to provide it, while it can still influence the proposal, as well as > other people's view of the proposal. > > At least in my personal opinion, I think it's important that people > granted voting rights as community representatives have at least some > historical involvement in RFC discussions. > > Regards, > Nikita >
