On Mon, Jun 15, 2020 at 4:41 PM Deleu <deleu...@gmail.com> wrote: > As white men, we're being dismissive, insensitive and strongly suggesting > we don't want change. While people may not feel offended by any of these > terms being discussed, this thread alone already serves as reason for > people to feel like there's no room for diversity in the internal community > of php. >
This. We are (by and large) an awfully pasty group to be saying "This isn't a real problem" and dismissing it out of hand. A white person saying, "These words aren't problematic" is like responding on bugs.php.net with "It works on my machine". > I believe that if we cannot come together to take the small (potentially > insignificant) step towards making changes that signal a welcoming > environment, how are we going to actually take the big steps? > > OP initially came to Gabriel and I (as 8.0 RMs) to judge our response on a small scale. My answer was essentially "That's not my call, take it to internals@" which he did, and frankly I'm disappointed by the reaction he got. I'm not saying this HAS to happen, or even necessarily SHOULD. I really don't know if these words are a problem or not because I'M NOT QUALIFIED to answer that question. I really wish we'd had a better discussion than what we've started with though. As to BC; You know I hate BC breaks for academic reasons, and (at the moment) this certainly feels like a BC break for academic reasons, but again... Don't know how abstract the problem is, just offering my pasty hot-take. It also doesn't have to be a violent BC break. We can alias new names to old and have a nice leisurely migration path on the way to 9.0 (or even 10.0). Last, regarding neutrality. This proposal is literally aimed at adopting more-neutral language. It's not a partisan move to say that harmful language should be avoided. -Sara
