> Then you want some lower layer to the app to fragment. That is not a good 
> idea.

I want an adaptation layer - that is a good idea. Again, all details have 
already
been discussed in previous emails.

Fred

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Dino Farinacci [mailto:farina...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, December 08, 2021 5:44 PM
> To: Templin (US), Fred L <fred.l.temp...@boeing.com>
> Cc: to...@strayalpha.com; int-area@ietf.org
> Subject: Re: [Int-area] Side meeting follow-up: What exact features do we 
> want from the Internet?
> 
> Then you want some lower layer to the app to fragment. That is not a good 
> idea.
> 
> Dino
> 
> > On Dec 8, 2021, at 7:42 PM, Templin (US), Fred L 
> > <fred.l.temp...@boeing.com> wrote:
> >
> > 
> >>
> >> Does that mean no app should send more than 576?
> >
> > Dino, I am not sure what to say in response to this other than you must not 
> > be reading
> > my messages. I want apps to be able to use whatever packet size gives them 
> > the best
> > performance *even if the packet size exceeds the path MTU*. Also, to 
> > dynamically tune
> > their packet sizes in case network conditions change and even use jumbos if 
> > they want
> > and if the path will support it. If that has not come across to you, please 
> > go back and
> > read my messages.
> >
> > Fred
> >
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: Dino Farinacci [mailto:farina...@gmail.com]
> >> Sent: Wednesday, December 08, 2021 3:58 PM
> >> To: Templin (US), Fred L <fred.l.temp...@boeing.com>
> >> Cc: to...@strayalpha.com; int-area@ietf.org
> >> Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: [Int-area] Side meeting follow-up: What exact 
> >> features do we want from the Internet?
> >>
> >> EXT email: be mindful of links/attachments.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>>> On Dec 8, 2021, at 5:33 PM, Templin (US), Fred L 
> >>>> <fred.l.temp...@boeing.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Dino, my response to your response is "MTU diversity everywhere, with 576 
> >>> as the
> >>> minimum cell size". I know Joe won't like that, but I can't get him to 
> >>> give a straight
> >>> answer.
> >>
> >> Does that mean no app should send more than 576? That would be a bug, a 
> >> major performance bug. And you would be way too late to
> the
> >> table. If it was the minimum an app has to send, that is a bug too and 
> >> tardy as well.
> >>
> >> So let’s move on to requirements again. I bet this list is bored with the 
> >> topic.
> >>
> >> Dino=
> >

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