அன்புடையீர்
(dear VSR)
you might also want to see what François Gros wrote in his end notes (on
p. 182 of the same 1968 book) concerning lines 77-79 of Paripāṭal 3
பாழெனக் காலெனப் பாகென வொன்றென
இரண்டென மூன்றென நான்கென வைந்தென
ஆறென வேழென வெட்டெனத் தொண்டென
77-79
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
P. retrouve dans cette énumération les vingt-cinq tattva du Sāṃkhya:
/pāL/, le néant (ou le zéro) c'est le puruṣa inactif; /kāl/, le quart,
mais aussi "le germe", ce sont les cinq éléments qui débutent
par l'éther (i.e. les mahā bhūta); /pāku/ "division" (ou moitié)
ce sont les cinq karmendriy; /un/ c'est le son, qualité de l'éther;
/deux/, le toucher, qualité du vent; /trois/, la forme, qualite du feu;
/quatre/, la saveur, qualité de l'eau; /cinq/, l'odeur, qualité de la terre;
/six/, ce sont les cinq sens d'aperception (buddhīndriy) et le manas,
sens mental qui en détermine la perception; /sept/, l'ahaṃkāra;
/huit/, la buddhi; /neuf/, la mūlaprakṛti. L'exposé est complet et parfaite-
ment correct; le seul problème demeure de savoir si P. n'a pas ici
transposé un peu abusivement la science du Sāṃkhya qu'il avait
étalée par ailleurs aussi brillamment dans le commentaire du /KuRaḷ/ 23.
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
[P. = பரிமேலழகர் (Parimēlaḻakar)]
அன்புடன்
-- Jean-Luc
https://htl.cnrs.fr/equipe/jl-chevillard/
On 26/07/2022 21:06, rajam via INDOLOGY wrote:
Exactly!
The part … 'Tu as l'excellence dite par les nombres des âges de quatre
sortes :
Noir aux yeux rouges, Blanc aux yeux noirs ‘ is crucial for
understanding ‘sūnya’ as a part of mathematical counting.
In Tamil, it goes like this:
… *எண்* நவிற்றும் சிறப்பினை
Thanks and Regards,
rajam
On Jul 25, 2022, at 9:48 PM, Anurupa Naik <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
If I'm not mistaken, you're referring to this part from Prof Gros'
French translation of /Paripatal/ published by the French Institute:
75 Sans souffrir deux ombres, les trois fois sept mondes
C'est Toi qui les protèges sous une ombre unique.
Le néant, le quart, la moitié, un
Deux, trois, quatre, cinq
Six, sept, huit, neuf :
80 Tu as l'excellence dite par les nombres des âges de quatre sortes :
Noir aux yeux rouges, Blanc aux yeux noirs [...]
/(Le Paripāṭal. Texte tamoul/. Introduction, traduction et notes par
François Gros, PIFI n°35, IFP, 1968, p. 16)
Thank you,
Anurupa
IFP
On 26-07-2022 02:52, rajam via INDOLOGY wrote:
For whatever its worth … I’m tempted to provide some information from
the Tamil paripāṭal (பரிபாடல் : 3) where I see a mathematical counting
starting from ’sūnya’ / ‘zero’.
This poem, paripāṭal (பரிபாடல் : 3), is dedicated to tirumāl (திருமால்,
Vishnu).
Here, the numbers are counted as: pāḻ (பாழ், meaning ’nothing
solid/concrete/meaningful…’), kāl (கால், one quarter, 1/4), pāku
(பாகு, one half, 1/2), oṉṟu (ஒன்று, one), iraṇṭu (இரண்டு, two), mūṉṟu
(மூன்று, three), nāṉku (நான்கு, four), aiṉtu (ஐந்து, five), āṟu (ஆறு,
six), ēḻu (ஏழு, seven), eṭṭu (எட்டு, eight), toṇṭu (தொண்டு, nine).
பாழ்என, கால்என, பாகுஎன, ஒன்றுஎன,
இரண்டுஎன, மூன்றுஎன, நான்குஎன, ஐந்துஎன,
ஆறுஎன, ஏழுஎன, எட்டுஎன, தொண்டுஎன,
நால்வகைஊழிஎண்நவிற்றும்சிறப்பினை…
Now, I request our dear colleague Jean-Luc Chevillard for a
translation from Gros for this part of the Paripadal poem.
Thanks and regards,
rajam
On Jul 25, 2022, at 9:19 AM, alakendu das via INDOLOGY
<[email protected]> wrote:
Dr.Dahejia,
With due regards, I mention the following points on the issue of
"Sunnya"
1) "Sunnyata" of Mahayana Buddhism is a purely philosophical concept
developed by Asanga and his brother BasuBandhu, embodying the
principal of "ChatushKotiBinirmuktwa"..
2) In the world of Mathematics,probably ,an ancient Indian text
dating back to 5th CE B.C, named as "Lokabibhaga" displayed use of
decimal system ( including aero) .I would be grateful if any further
reference on this text can be furnished.
3) AryaBhatta's name is associated with the concept of zero" with
respect,although there is a view that Maya civilization of Central
America introduced the concept of zero.
Would like to be enlightened more on this.
Regards
Alakendu Das.
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Subject: [INDOLOGY] Sunya
Friends:
Is there any evidence that the sunya of mathematics arose out of the
sunyata of Mahayana Buddhism?
Kind regards,
Hrtsha
Harsha V. Dehejia
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