He said Outlook Express, which is a well behaved IMAP client, not Outlook which is not a well behaved IMAP client.
You might have made it clear to OP that within horde/imp/config/prefs.php is the ability to control the exact IMAP client behavior which does allow him to move e-mail messages to a folder of his choosing rather than flag messages as deleted. While I don't choose this type of setup, the options are clearly there within the prefs.php file. Craig On Thu, 2009-04-09 at 10:09 +1000, Simon Wilson wrote: > <quote>"given that I have selected the correct Webmail option (and set > the corresponding option in all my clients), why is it when a remote > IMAP client > (Outlook, Outlook Express, Windows Mail) executes a "delete" command > and that command is > received by the IMAP server is it not translated into a "move" to the > trash folder > command?"</quote> > > When any one of those remote IMAP clients connect what you have done > in WebMail has absolutely nothing to do with anything. WebMail is just > another "remote IMAP client" like Outlook (OK, maybe not like Outlook > LOL), etc. Just as Outlook not displaying anything correctly is not > the fault of your iPhone which does, neither is it the fault of Horde > or WebMail (Imp) which also does. > > The commands that you have given to Imp to move to deleted items > folder when I delete a message just tells WebMail "when I delete a > message, tell the IMAP server to copy it to Deleted Items, and to then > purge it immediately from the original folder". Those commands are > being executed in your IMAP server, not Horde / Imp. Imp just knows to > send those commands. > > Outlook does not have the capability to send those commands. In fact > it sucks as an IMAP client. :) All it will do is send the delete (and > the move? I can't remember), not the purge, although you can tell it > to purge on exit I believe. > > So your issue lies with the clients that you are using not being able > to interface with IMAP in an intelligent manner. Thunderbird isn't too > bad I don't think from memory with IMAP... Imp / Dimp rocks though. > You can actually watch the process happen in Dimp as it deletes then > purges messages you hit delete for. > > You cannot (I don't believe, maybe someone else can shed more light > here) tell IMAP to do that process on behalf of the client, as it is a > string of commands as noted above that has to come from a client that > knows which ones to send on your behalf. As far as I know, Gmail, > iPhone are able to send those, Outlook is not. > > Just one terminology thing too - in IMAP, subfolders *are* separate > mailboxes, so Inbox is a different mailbox to "Inbox.Deleted items". > Hence why in IMAP when you tell your client to delete a message it > tells IMAP to copy the message to the folder that your client has been > told is where trash goes, then to delete and purge from the original > mailbox. When you tell it to empty Trash, it knows (cos you've told > it, or it's programmed to know) that Trash or Deleted Items, or > whatever it is called, is your trash, and when you want to delete from > there to do a straight delete and purge, not move to another folder > (mailbox). > > Hope some of that makes sense... LOL. > > Simon Wilson. > > > > > Quoting "E. John Messersmith III" > > Well, I don't know what Gmail is doing either but the iPhone gets it right > in all cases and all clients get it right when using Gmail. I'm > not being angry here just very frustrated. I don't know how I can be any > clearer. It is either a configuration parameter of IMAP or Horde or both. > > Webmail - which I think is also part of the Horde project - gets it right > too! So what is it doing? I go to Mail Options->Deleting and Moving > Messages and I simply > check the option "When deleting messages, move them to your Trash > folder instead of > marking them as deleted?" I select a message and click the Delete > link. No marking for > deletion; no counting; no nothing - just a simple move from one folder > to another - > everything is still in one Mailbox. So the "delete" command simply > gets translated (or is > made equivalent to) a "move" to the trash folder command. The client > doesn't have to do > anything. As long as the server moves the message to the trash folder > the new state is > simply reflected (updated) in the client. Why is this so difficult to > understand? Is > there something obvious I'm missing? > > So my question remains: given that I have selected the correct Webmail > option (and set > the corresponding option in all my clients), why is it when a remote > IMAP client > (Outlook, Outlook Express, Windows Mail) executes a "delete" command > and that command is > received by the IMAP server is it not translated into a "move" to the > trash folder > command? > -- > IMP mailing list - Join the hunt: http://horde.org/bounties/#imp > Frequently Asked Questions: http://horde.org/faq/ > To unsubscribe, mail: imp-unsubscr...@lists.horde.org > -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. -- IMP mailing list - Join the hunt: http://horde.org/bounties/#imp Frequently Asked Questions: http://horde.org/faq/ To unsubscribe, mail: imp-unsubscr...@lists.horde.org
