Sandip Bhattacharya wrote: > On 09/12/02 02:25 +0530, Jaswinder Singh Kohli thus spake: > > Sandip Bhattacharya wrote: > > > > > Here goes distro wars again. ;) > > > > > > On 08/12/02 23:56 +0530, Gollum thus spake: > > > > this is good new man. I love debian. I had it once on my system. but then I > > > > could'nt get my printer to work, neiter did i get half the things to work. > > > > But Debian is beautyful in many ways. it does not have a f up kernel like > > > > redhat has. And though configuration is difficult it is a great sense of > > [...] > > > > > > > > This is my personal eXperience rather than influenced by anything else, > > so lets' debate.... > > Please before you start, notice that I have only chosen what Gollum > mentioned in the mail. I was just pointing out the irony in his > statements. > > > > > > > > 1. In debian you cant get half the things to work. > > > > If they work once, they work forever, and they work rather easily in Debian > > rather than in RH. > > A subjective statement totally without evidence. You are using the same > apps. There is no reason why one should break and the other not, > especially in Linux.
> > Some autoconfiguration done by RH, usually messes things up, breaks one > > during tinkering with something else, same is with Mandrake, > > To use any distro you need to know a bit about how it works. You have > done your bit with Debian. Spend similar quality time with RH and then > crib. Any RHCE documention can provide you with enough info. > I have used RH for around 2 yrs(around) started with 5.00 and upto 6.1 or 6.2 left from the one that offered Graphical Installation. Not because of intallation though but found Debian. > > > gets most of the things work in X Mode, but the user who likes to works > > in Text mode.... > > I have worked *much* more in console mode than in X. Nowadays i do > most of my work in a xterm only and use X only for mozilla and > openoffice. And yes, i wont even touch webmin/linuxconf/*conf with a > bargepole. But whatever else config that you can do in Debian, i can > do in my RH box too. I dont see where the problem lies. > Problem lies in the point that the RH tries to everything by itself, Autoconfigration thats what i don't like, Autoconfig usually breaks a thing or other, thats' the case with me... > > > > 2. Redhat has a more f*** up kernel than debian. Care to elaborate? > > > > > > > Yeah, some things which are compiled in and disabled by using some utility > > or other which it doesn't care to ask for installing during the installation >procedure. > > eXample is sysrq key, compiled in kernel, disabled using some (i don;t rem) utility > > took me ages to figure out why it ain't working at a frnds' place. > > You mean disabled using sysctl? I thought that was a standard utility. > > Redhat, due to its emphasis on enterprise scale systems has far more > than adequate support for hardware etc. To do the equivalent using > stock kernel and n number of patches is too painful for people who > dont have an apetite for adventure in the workplace. And people who > can manage the various potential conflicts between the patches are > hard to find. > > All these are based on my unfounded assumption that debian only comes > with a stock kernel. > It does comes with the stock kernel as well as many others with patches applied You have option to select 'em IF YOU WANT. what RH is trying to do, to make work easy for users is taking away the options this is the part i don't like, > > > > > > 3. In debian, users have to achieve getting X to work. > > > > Who says so, all you need is to know what are you doing.... > > If you dont' know, why you care doing that. > > I repeat my first point -- I was only pointing out the irony on the > OP. > > > > 4. In debian, the installer is confusing. > > > > This is the worst remark i have heard, Confusing is the completely the > > wrong kind of word, rather the Debain Installer is Simplest of all, > > Many people on this list will disagree. There was a reason why debian > was not used for the LAP project. > > > 1. Text based- Works will all the damned cards. > > How are these two related? Too subjective an answer anyway. > > > 2. No hardware detection- No hangups as happens with SuSe,Caldera, > > on some of the machines i hve seen. > > Not always a good thing for customers. > > > 3 No Hidden Features- NO packages will be installed without letting you know > > Just try to install RH, Mandrake etc.... with >min. packages > > How much space it takes and then try same >with DEBIAN > > AFAIK, in RH you do have an option to select exactly the package that > you want.Try the custom installation. If you try to install packages > with unsatisfied dependencies , RH informs you that and helps you make > your selection. What else do you want a professional distrib to do? > > > > > Also once you get Debian working, it lasts long really long, ting tong. > > There are probably far more redhat boxes running on the internet than > any other distro. Some reigning back to redhat 5.x (~4 years?). How long do you > want systems to last? > > I am not trying to just evangelise here. I believe that either > technologies should be compared or philosophies. Dont mix the two. It > only confuses the real issue. > > My mind lies with working with Redhat while my heart with Debian. I > hope Debian to succeed because it would usher in an utopian era where > technology definitely belongs to the masses. I would help the project > as much as possible in my individual capacity. > > But professionally I would never recommend a technology just because > of the philosophy. It simply has to be better than the competition. > > The goal of every opensource enthusiast is to help make such software > simply better than the closed source world, and fight only on the basis > of merit. > > - Sandip > It is not just philosophy, i am not recommending Debain to new user, Mandrake is the best for him as hee is NEW. If i have to recommend to someone like more eXperienced I would definately ask em' to go for Debian Now the difference of opinion eXists for diff. type of users, > > -- > -------------------------------------------------------- > Sandip Bhattacharya > sandipb <@> bigfoot.com > http://www.sandipb.net GPG/PGP: 0x08EB637C > -------------------------------------------------------- > > ================================================ > To unsubscribe, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe in subject >header. Check archives at http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd%40wpaa.org -- Regards Jaswinder Singh Kohli [EMAIL PROTECTED] :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: The Uni(multi)verse is a figment of its own imagination. -=- When you are courting a nice girl, an hour seems like a second. When you sit on a red-hot cinde, a second seems like an hour. That's relativity. Albert Einstein (1879-1955), German-American
