On Sat, Nov 5, 2011 at 1:47 PM, Arun Khan <[email protected]> wrote: > While this may be generally true, IMO it is the mind set of these > youngsters that is more important. Regardless of how bright and > sharp they are, most seek jobs in the "big" names and end up doing > mundane stuf v/s working @ small companies and really learning a lot > of stuff in a short period of time.
I am going to send a separate mail for employees. Now what is the quality of the students I will attract? Can I get good talent? No. I don't think it is an easy answer. I can't claim I learnt nothing by joining Novell first. I learnt a lot not just tech stuff. I had a real feel of how working for big superb companies could be. Definitely it was enjoyable, meaningful and nice. However I learnt the most by working for small companies in Chennai and even Bangalore. The lure of the lucre and social status cannot easily be erased from the minds of people. > > The primary reason cited a by a few I have discussed this factor - so > that their parents can brag my son/daughter works @ so and so place, > this in turn feeds secondary factors like marriage prospects etc. > There is nothing fundamentally wrong with this thinking. We do not like certain realities particularly if we are not benefiting by it. ;) >> I really don't think Indian engineering talent is in any way inferior >> to Western talent. > > Totally agree - what I see missing is the application of mind. What > I also see missing is the doggedness to dive deep in a subject matter > and achieve some level of expertise. They know the stuff but don't > know how to put 2 and 2 and perhaps get 5 out of it :) Fundamentally we are gifted people. Our nation and culture has placed emphasis on the right values on education for more than thousand years. Now technology is not just knowledge. It is application and engineering is not just memory or IQ. It is a lot of skills gotten by experience and attitude. Our attitudes need change. Not the basic skill and gene makeup. >> The difference lies in focus and passion for continuing on and on and on. > > The crux - is the mind set and lack of passion to excel in your chosen > field. I have come across youngsters chasing certifications right > after graduation. They think a RHCE and/or CCNA will get them some > extra bucks but at the same time are not willing to invest time in > gaining practical experience - self study [1], internship or working > at start ups. Yes. > >> You won't get skills in 5 or 7 years. It takes more than 15 years. > > I differ. A person with passion and the right mind set can achieve > enough expertise in a subject matter within 2-5 years. > You left out a 1 before this number. 12 to 15 years. ;) > [1] Example - basic networking can be practiced using Virtual Box VMs > but I have not come across any student who has taken the initiative to > do so. As I said engineering is not just knowledge. It is a lot more than that. No use arguing with reality. If technical genius takes more than 10 years accept it. You may not have the patience to pursue it. But that does not alter the truth in any way. -Girish -- G3 Tech Networking appliance company web: http://g3tech.in mail: [email protected] _______________________________________________ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
