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#1 draft-gondwana-dkim2-motivation The WG is chartered to determine what issues DKIM2 is going to address, and this is a good starting point for that discussion and so in my view it should be adopted for that purpose. I think it's unlikely to be desirable to attempt to turn it into an RFC ... but some of its text could well make it into an informational document that taught people how to best deploy DKIM2 to best address these issues. #2 draft-gondwana-dkim2-modification-alegbra It is pretty clear to me that we need to be able to undo changes in order to check that the original signature on a message was valid (ARC, which suggests we might be able to trust someone else to do that has not got any traction and I don't think that will change). As such this is an excellent starting point for the WG to consider the trade-offs between expressiveness, simplicity and practicality. I would have preferred a design that was more focused on what mailing lists felt they needed to do when altering messages, but I have been persuaded that there would be very significant complexity in tying down apparently simple descriptions such as "I just added a footer" when emails are complex MIME structures with non-ASCII encodings. Hence I think this document is where we should work from. #3 draft-gondwana-dkim2-header The case for adopting this document at this point in time is less clear-cut, in my view. It is the rump of the document Bron, Wei and I originally wrote to explain our vision of DKIM2. The "issues to be addressed" were carved out into #1 above and this document is what remains. As such it has significant value to address objections along the lines of "well that might be a problem but there's no way to solve it simply" but otherwise it is not something that it would be possible to implement against and making it into such a document is a lot of changes. I am a fair way through producing a document based directly on RFC6376 -- which has the advantage of keeping text identical when it is not proposed to do anything but work-alike with DKIM1 -- but it is of necessity very long (because I am trying to keep all the ABNF, the detailed descriptions of algorithms etc) and hence it may be hard to see the wood for the trees, and so it might be a while before WG participants understood what was changed and what was not -- whereas the draft proposed for adoption is relatively short and it avoids pretty much all of the detail. I don't think that -- given the workplan -- for the WG there is a pressing need to adopt #3 at the moment, and it might be a distraction to do so. If we did adopt it then I would expect to shortly be filing a ticket to replace the whole thing with new text ... or some procedural equivalent. As people are doubtless aware I am an author of #1 and #3 (and I am the "Richard" you can find in the Bangkok minutes). - -- richard Richard Clayton They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. Benjamin Franklin -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGPsdk version 1.7.1 iQA/AwUBZ/WyT2HfC/FfW545EQLwzwCfTVlCzt5Uml7F7K5ipnQi2fQihwsAoKFd 9Hq/y7CY/D+plFXTYjukjjb/ =fLpb -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- _______________________________________________ Ietf-dkim mailing list -- ietf-dkim@ietf.org To unsubscribe send an email to ietf-dkim-le...@ietf.org