On 4 Apr 2025, at 14:31, John R. Levine wrote:

> On Fri, 4 Apr 2025, Jim Fenton wrote:
>>> My understanding is that it means forwarders /always/ rewrite the bounce 
>>> address.  It could be SRS or anything to a similar effect.
>>
>> They don’t always do that. A “transparent forwarder” (think ~/.forward or 
>> /etc/aliases in *nix) typically leaves the envelope-from address alone. That 
>> is a long-standing behavior that isn’t likely to change.
>
> Look at the motivation document.  The idea is there's a signature per hop, 
> with the bounces sent back hop by hop.  This addresses several problems: a 
> hop can undo changes so it doesn't reveal its downstream addresses, and an 
> ESP that mails on behalf of a company can get the bounces and deal with them 
> rather than having them go to the company which has no idea.

This was a review of the motivation document, so I was looking at it.

I may have understood Ale’s comment. Apparently transparent forwarders like I 
described, which of course will still exist, are not compatible with DKIM++.

So the original comment might have been intended to be, “it means forwarders 
that are compatible with DKIM++ /always/ rewrite the bounce address”.

-Jim

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