On 3/22/23 11:22 AM, Murray S. Kucherawy wrote:
On Tue, Mar 21, 2023 at 8:37 PM Scott Kitterman <ietf-d...@kitterman.com> wrote:


    >>    1.  Do receivers keep tabs on which users are using things like
    >>    mailing lists to differentiate users who expect to get
    indirect mail vs
    >>    those who don't?
    >>
    >> The large mailbox operators might have hints about this, but
    I'm not sure
    >the answer would serve to further constrain the problem statement.

    I think it relates to the largest challenge to the problem
    statement: what distinguishes these 'bad' messages from 'good'
    indirect mail flows such as mailing lists.  As far as I can tell,
    the answer is nothing, which leaves it challenging to produce an
    effective protocol change which addresses replay that doesn't also
    have substantial side effects on non-replay traffic.


I agree, but:

Do you believe knowing the answer to this question would allow us to amend the problem statement to something that might allow a protocol solution?  My point is that I don't think it would.

The charter leaves a BCP-like document in scope as a possibility. For a BCP, you need to know what the state of art is, obviously.

Mike
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