Hi Barbara,
There seems to be a new command STOP REGION ABDUMP FORCE, but only for some 
status of ims regions:
https://www.ibm.com/support/pages/apar/PH05432
But it is not properly documented, so we tried several things, but it did not 
work.
DFSSTOP0 : Code has been modified to allow region to be
cancelled by new command /STOP REG ABDUMP FORCE when region is
in right status. A new DFS5060I error message will be issued if
the region cannot be stopped as it is  not in WAIT-INIT-INPROG
or TERM-PENDING status.Maybe abdump needs to be issued first, but we have not 
tried this yet.
Denis.
-----Original Message-----
From: Barbara Nitz <nitz-...@gmx.net>
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Sent: Mon, May 4, 2020 10:23 am
Subject: Re: S0F9 and SOFD ABENDs and SVC dumps - oh my!

On Thu, 30 Apr 2020 09:09:32 -0400, Peter Relson <rel...@us.ibm.com> wrote:

><snip>
>z/OS FORCE did not work
></snip>
>
>Wanna bet?
>
>FORCE,ARM runs in the address space so would have been affected.
>FORCE does not.

Doesn't matter. With an IMS region, you cannot use cancel (z/OS: 
"non-cancelable, use force arm"). You cannot use force arm (z/OS: "cancel 
first, please"). And you cannot use force because IMS intercepts that and tells 
you to terminate the IMS region by de-registering it from IMS. Which doesn't 
work because it is already *unknown* (i.e. deregistered) in the control region, 
but the de-registering hasn't made it down the tcbs in that IMS message region. 
Sometimes the callrtm program worked after the 5th invocation, but sometimes it 
didn't work even after 10 invocations.  (With the dumps to verify it didn't 
work in between invocations.)

IMS message regions are BAD, IMHO.

Regards, Barbara

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