David: Yeah Bro i hear ya. But people seem afraid of advancement in technology sometimes. I came from an Engineering family ( father, grandfather, great Uncle ). Mechanical and electronic so my viewpoint is somewhat different.
Scott On Fri, May 1, 2020 at 12:31 PM David Crayford <dcrayf...@gmail.com> wrote: > You can get brilliant performance on x86 but mainframe class > availability is another matter! Don't know if I would want my ATM to be > running on a blade just yet! > > On 2020-05-02 12:10 AM, scott Ford wrote: > > David, > > > > Yep that’s what I heard about lzLabs , I have former Swiss colleague who > > mentioned them to me. He was a diehard MVSer and thought they were pretty > > impressive. > > > > Scott > > > > On Fri, May 1, 2020 at 7:00 AM David Crayford <dcrayf...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > > >> I used to work with the guy that was the tech lead for the LzLabs CICS > >> project. He tried to recruit some of us! > >> > >> IIRC, they got it churning out pretty impressive transactions per/sec. > >> Don't know about reliability. > >> > >> On 2020-05-01 1:03 AM, Steve Beaver wrote: > >>> The only thing I can't figure out how Lz did it was emulation of a > >> CICSPLEX, > >>> and zDB2, and zIMS > >>> None of those are simple. Plus mainframes have massive thru-put > >> capability > >>> > >>> > >>> -----Original Message----- > >>> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] > On > >>> Behalf Of Phil Smith III > >>> Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2020 8:56 AM > >>> To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > >>> Subject: Re: LzLabs > >>> > >>> Peter Baumann wrote, in part: > >>> > >>>> Emulating the entire ecosystem and all the third-party tools seems > like > >>>> insane. They call it re-hosting. IMHO you can re-host something > written > >>>> to open standards. Otherwise you have to deal with legal issues and > >>>> since it's all propritary and patented they must have reverse > >>>> engineered entire zOS. Can you do it without infringing on patents ? > >>>> And even if you can, how many man years would you need ? Harsh reality > >>>> these days is funding is becoming scarce. > >>> > >>> LzLabs was very careful to avoid any infringement: folks working on > their > >>> stuff had to sanitize their bookshelves, even. Doesn't guarantee > >> anything, > >>> but they've been at it a while, certainly longer than PSI did their > >> thing, > >>> and IBM hasn't sued, so that probably tells us something. > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> As Steve notes, this is hardly John Moores' first rodeo: he won't have > >> gone > >>> into this guessing/assuming he could just do it and get away with it. > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> Like any rehosting, the point here is to capture the value of the > >> existing > >>> business logic. That's huge and is why LzLabs and other such approaches > >>> (*cough* Micro Focus Enterprise Server *cough*) exist and are > successful. > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> So while it's certainly unarguable that LzLabs' play is very ambitious, > >> I'd > >>> not dismiss it as silly (not saying you were, but I've heard others do > >> so). > >>> To the modern CIO who sees the mainframe as legacy, this kind of thing > is > >>> extremely appealing. > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> Let's not bother to go into why that may or may not be a valid > >> perspective: > >>> the real point is that folks at least think they want this; all it has > >> to do > >>> is work well enough. 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