David,

Yep that’s what I heard about lzLabs , I have former Swiss colleague who
mentioned them to me. He was a diehard MVSer and thought they were pretty
impressive.

Scott

On Fri, May 1, 2020 at 7:00 AM David Crayford <[email protected]> wrote:

> I used to work with the guy that was the tech lead for the LzLabs CICS
> project. He tried to recruit some of us!
>
> IIRC, they got it churning out pretty impressive transactions per/sec.
> Don't know about reliability.
>
> On 2020-05-01 1:03 AM, Steve Beaver wrote:
> > The only thing I can't figure out how Lz did it was emulation of a
> CICSPLEX,
> > and zDB2, and zIMS
> > None of those are simple.  Plus mainframes have massive thru-put
> capability
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[email protected]] On
> > Behalf Of Phil Smith III
> > Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2020 8:56 AM
> > To: [email protected]
> > Subject: Re: LzLabs
> >
> > Peter Baumann wrote, in part:
> >
> >> Emulating the entire ecosystem and all the third-party tools seems like
> >> insane. They call it re-hosting. IMHO you can re-host something written
> >> to open standards. Otherwise you have to deal with legal issues and
> >> since it's all propritary and patented they must have reverse
> >> engineered entire zOS. Can you do it without infringing on patents ?
> >> And even if you can, how many man years would you need ? Harsh reality
> >> these days is funding is becoming scarce.
> >
> >
> > LzLabs was very careful to avoid any infringement: folks working on their
> > stuff had to sanitize their bookshelves, even. Doesn't guarantee
> anything,
> > but they've been at it a while, certainly longer than PSI did their
> thing,
> > and IBM hasn't sued, so that probably tells us something.
> >
> >
> >
> > As Steve notes, this is hardly John Moores' first rodeo: he won't have
> gone
> > into this guessing/assuming he could just do it and get away with it.
> >
> >
> >
> > Like any rehosting, the point here is to capture the value of the
> existing
> > business logic. That's huge and is why LzLabs and other such approaches
> > (*cough* Micro Focus Enterprise Server *cough*) exist and are successful.
> >
> >
> >
> > So while it's certainly unarguable that LzLabs' play is very ambitious,
> I'd
> > not dismiss it as silly (not saying you were, but I've heard others do
> so).
> > To the modern CIO who sees the mainframe as legacy, this kind of thing is
> > extremely appealing.
> >
> >
> >
> > Let's not bother to go into why that may or may not be a valid
> perspective:
> > the real point is that folks at least think they want this; all it has
> to do
> > is work well enough. "Good enough is good enough" for most people.
> >
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