I very much agree. Getting people to write batch COBOL, itself wasn't the problem. CICS conversational stuff, DB2 interfacing were issues. Exploiting new functions, JCL coding, job scheduling, resource/performance management, maintaining file health, not writing nice loops, and much more, was always the problem. That and how to work through the problems when things went bad.
Working through requirements and turning things into code has its own problems, and to me is a separate thing. -----Original Message----- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Laurence Chiu Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2020 4:31 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [External] Re: New Jersey Pleas for COBOL Coders for Mainframes Amid Coronavirus Pandemic CAUTION: External Email Tried to read all the responses to this thread but I have missed this point. Unless NJ has a decent developer platform like Eclipse(?) or IBM Developer for z/OS Enterprise Edition then they are not only going to require Cobol programmers, but people with Z/OS knowledge like JCL, file system structure etc. Just knowing how to code might not be good enough. Alternatively a good coach who can assist with that stuff while the person focuses on coding. Then of course what is the application written in? Is it CICS/DB2, IMS, VSAM etc. They are skills in their own right. On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 9:30 AM Clark Morris <[email protected]> wrote: > [Default] On 13 Apr 2020 11:32:51 -0700, in bit.listserv.ibm-main > [email protected] (Pommier, Rex) wrote: > > >What's the definition of "volunteer"? The articles I've read say > >they're > looking for volunteers, although I can't believe they're looking for > somebody to work for free! > > I'm considering actually putting a truncated resume online in Linked > In and offering to do things such as review compile options. Given > that I am required to stay home due to Covid-19 and I wouldn't want > any confidential information on my computer, the sort of help is that > which I would provide a fellow SHARE member. For billing concerns > thee only pay project I would consider is in Canada. > > Clark Morris > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List <[email protected]> On > >Behalf > Of Dan at Poodles > >Sent: Monday, April 13, 2020 1:24 PM > >To: [email protected] > >Subject: [External] Re: New Jersey Pleas for COBOL Coders for > >Mainframes > Amid Coronavirus Pandemic > > > >Nobody asked the real question: "What are they paying?". > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[email protected]] > >On > Behalf Of Pommier, Rex > >Sent: Monday, April 13, 2020 11:22 AM > >To: [email protected] > >Subject: Re: [External] Re: New Jersey Pleas for COBOL Coders for > Mainframes Amid Coronavirus Pandemic > > > >Yup, this whole thing is akin to somebody complaining that Windows > >Server > >2019 is ancient as well. I'm sure if you dig a bit, you'll find code > inside it based on NT technology from the 1980s so why aren't people > complaining about that? > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List <[email protected]> On > >Behalf > Of Seymour J Metz > >Sent: Monday, April 13, 2020 10:51 AM > >To: [email protected] > >Subject: [External] Re: New Jersey Pleas for COBOL Coders for > >Mainframes > Amid Coronavirus Pandemic > > > >Sigh! The system may be 40 years old but the computer in the picture > >is a > lot older. > > > >I suspect that the "40 year old" system is like the ax that has been > >in > use for 200 years: the handle has been replaced 20 times and the blade > has been replaced 25 times, but it's still the same ax. > > > > > > > >The information contained in this message is confidential, protected > >from > disclosure and may be legally privileged. 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