I was one of the developers for Deadbolt, and while we were able to get the 
product into a small number of installations as an "alpha" state release, the 
project was cancelled in early 2008.

Wayne Driscoll
Rocket Software
Note - All opinions are strictly my own.

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Charles Mills
Sent: Tuesday, June 11, 2019 1:27 PM
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: Just how secure are mainframes? | Trevor Eddolls

I have never found much barrier to entry with the IBM Business Partner process.

The HUGE obstacle is customer inertia and conservatism. Customers may complain 
about software costs, but they are the big barriers to entry for small 
competitors. At my former employer we had customers say specifically "we love 
your product but we are not taking on any new software vendors." (In some cases 
you could overcome that by partnering with a reseller.)

I would not want to be out there pitching "my ESM from Mills & Associates is 
way superior to RACF, Mr. Wells Fargo or Mr. Fidelity or whatever. You should 
drop RACF and install the Mills & Associates ESM."

There is a concept in software marketing called "stickiness." A search engine 
has zero stickiness. If a better search engine came along tomorrow you would 
start using it in a heartbeat. An ESM is waaaaay sticky. Even if I could sell 
Mr. Fargo on the superiority of my ESM, who is going to migrate all their RACF 
rules and administrative processes and TEST them?

Barry tried (or is still trying?) with a product (or prototype or concept) 
called DEADBOLT. 
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Charles


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From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf 
Of John McKown
Sent: Tuesday, June 11, 2019 9:51 AM
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: Just how secure are mainframes? | Trevor Eddolls

On Tue, Jun 11, 2019 at 11:26 AM Bob Bridges <robhbrid...@gmail.com> wrote:

> If that's what it stands for I should think those aren't just the big
> three but the ~only~ three.  At least, I've never heard of any others.
> Which is odd, when you think about it; surely there's someone out
> there wanting to break into the market?  So says my capitalist
> assumptions.  But apparently not.
>

Most likely the entry cost. Developing z/OS software is _expensive_. I don't 
know, but when I looked a couple of years ago, the zPDT was something like 
$5000 / year with annual renewal. And you need to be approved by IBM as a 
"Business Partner". That is a stiff barrier to entry, IMO. I know some business 
people here have a zPDT system, but I doubt that Phoenix Software would really 
want to go up against IBM and CA for that market. Also, unlike a productivity 
tool such as (E)JES, an ESM is (or should be) "business critical" for 
protection. To convince a company to go with a "new & unknown" product in this 
era of PHI, HIPAA, GDPR, and so on is so unlikely as to be silly to even 
consider. Better to go with products such as (E)JES (Phoenix Software) or 
Systems/ASM (Dignus) which, I feel, are more likely to be considered without 
the company auditors having a fit.

The reason I love Linux is the _zero_ cost of the GNU and other software.
Basically I only pay for the hardware and electricity. Of course, I am not a 
software developer, just a bit of a dilettante so far as programming is 
concerned.



>
> ---
> Bob Bridges, robhbrid...@gmail.com, cell 336 382-7313
>
> /* Nearly all men can stand adversity.  If you want to test a man's
> character, give him power.  -Abraham Lincoln */
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU]
> On Behalf Of Pommier, Rex
> Sent: Thursday, May 30, 2019 11:22
>
> I have been under the impression it stands for External Security
> Manager, of which the "big 3" would be RACF, ACF2, Top Secret.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List <IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU> On
> Behalf Of Tom Brennan
> Sent: Thursday, May 30, 2019 10:21 AM
>
> I've seen the acronym ESM a few times in this thread.  I'll assume
> that means "Enterprise Security Management", and I'll guess it refers
> to security processes (not RACF), such as assigning userid's, making
> sure people have just the access they need, periodic audits, etc.
>
> Am I even close?
>
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This is clearly another case of too many mad scientists, and not enough 
hunchbacks.


Maranatha! <><
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