I think one of the points here is that System Z and cloud being cost effective or aka ROI ,mass they say in sales speak. I realize there is always a cost of doing business, but nowadays small ISVs like us get hurt with the costs of cloud and other Items, I can tell you AWS is very expensive.
Scott On Fri, Sep 21, 2018 at 9:25 AM Charles Mills <[email protected]> wrote: > > (*) Unless there's some weird embedded UNIX(TM) in some popular > product(s), but (after a bit of checking) I don't think so. > > You are almost certainly correct in your (not) thinking because of the > licensing costs associated with UNIX. Almost by definition, popular = cheap > = no UNIX license fees. > > Lots of embedded Linux out there. My satellite TV set-top box came with a > notice (in about 6-point type) that I could have the source code if I > wanted > it. > > Charles > > > -----Original Message----- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[email protected]] On > Behalf Of Timothy Sipples > Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2018 9:42 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: IBM Z and cloud > > Mohammad Khan wrote: > >Remember when all their hardware products had become > >"server"s.... > > IBM Z and LinuxONE systems are, most certainly, servers. Appropriate, > accurate adjectives often appear in front of the word servers, such as > mission-critical, enterprise, robust, scalable, and secure. > > >or "z/OS is UNIX" > > z/OS is UNIX(TM), certified by The Open Group and a trademark bearer. Linux > is not UNIX, as it happens. Apple's macOS is UNIX, while iOS, tvOS, and > watchOS are not. AIX is UNIX. The modern BSD family operating systems > derived from "Networking Tape 2" (NetBSD, FreeBSD, OpenBSD, etc.) are not > UNIX. > > IBM is the largest UNIX server vendor both in terms of revenue share and > unit share. Apple is most probably(*) the largest UNIX vendor in terms of > number of machines, because every Mac they ship is a UNIX system. So, there > you go: IBM and Apple dominate the UNIX market. > > >or "COBOL now has object oriented features". > > COBOL does have object oriented features, and it has had them since IBM > COBOL for MVS and VM Release 2, introduced nearly a quarter century ago in > 1994, and with significant OO improvements since. > > >Not sure how many customers bought their hardware because > >it was a "server".... > > Everybody. If their machines weren't/aren't servers (i.e. serving), what > would they be doing instead? > > >or how many bought z machine for their UNIX applications. > > Many, converging on everybody since tons of middleware and runtimes for > z/OS simply cannot operate without UNIX technologies. > > If you're trying to criticize marketing teams, I don't think you ought to > start where and when they describe realities truthfully. Reality-based > resets are worth applauding. > > (*) Unless there's some weird embedded UNIX(TM) in some popular product(s), > but (after a bit of checking) I don't think so. > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ---------------------------- > Timothy Sipples > IT Architect Executive, Industry Solutions, IBM Z & LinuxONE, > Multi-Geography > E-Mail: [email protected] > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to [email protected] with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to [email protected] with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > -- Scott Ford IDMWORKS z/OS Development ---------------------------------------------------------------------- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [email protected] with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
